AL 3-lea ochi

[adipop]

pai, deochiul, bre...ca de-aici porniram. deochiul, voit sau nu, este o forma de atac psihic care provoaca un dezechilibru energetic. p'asta cum il explici dupa teoria matale?

ai, bre, nea adi, las-o jos ca macane. zau asa, nu mai umbla cu cioace. cum ajunsasi, fara sa citesti nicaieri, sa cugeti matale la termeni ca "eteric", "astral", "Cristul" etc? ti-a venit pur si simplu, asa, conceptul?...
hai sa fim seriosi.

Mi-am cerut scuze si in mesajul anterior. Poate gasesc altii mesajul respectiv. M-a obosit raspunsul de azi, mai ales ca aveam extrem de putin Timp la dipozitie. Mi-am dat seama de gresala, ulterior, dupa cateva ore. Cand am inceput sa  " vad " ce este in jurul oamenilor am inceput sa studiez problema.
Denumirile nu stiu de unde le-am luat, dar observatiile erau proprii cu siguranta. Multi ani m-am ocupat de asa ceva, ajungand sa " corectez " din punctul meu de vedere tot ce intalneam sau studiam. Nu se " legau ", asa cum afirmau altii, indiferent la ce nivel.
Indiferent de afirmatiile cuiva sau din studiile proprii, in momentul cand nu raspundeau
la o intrebare banala, consideram ca filosofia respectiva este eronata si-o luam de la capat....Am facut asa ceva in mii de nopti nedormite, pana cand sistemul astfel conceput, era acceptabil si-mi placea.
Ca sa se intelaga ceea ce inseamna asa ceva, va spun, cand am dat drumul la Scoala Zalmoxiana la Craiova, intelesesem faptul ca nu trebuie marsat decat pe educatie, pentru a schimba ceva in tara aceasta.
Denumirea Scolii, am realizat-o in 3 luni, zi de zi, facand tot felul de notatii. Pana nu mi-a placut, n-am lasat numele aleator.
Ulterior, Parintele Balasa, cand l-am vizitat la Dragasani si i-am spus ce-am facut si cum am facut cu Scoala Zalmoxiana, mi-a trimis o scrisoare in care mi-a aratat un loc langa Craiova, la Breasta, unde el, cu 70 de ani inainte, descoperise inscrisuri in slavona pe niste ziduri de manastire vechi, despre prima Universitate de pe Terra, Universitatea Zalmoxiana.



e vorba exact de ceea ce spuneam mai sus, adica de un sincretism intre elemente orientale, crestinism si new age.
pai chestia asta cu "corpurile de corpuri", regret ca te dezamagesc, n-ai inventat-o matale. ea este o incercare de explicare a fiintei umane si vine din esoterismul indian fiind popularizata in europa undeva in a doua jumatate a secolului al XIX-lea, in special prin intermediul teozofiei lu' madam blavatsky.
nenea adi, iote colea, ca sa vezi ca nu inventasi matale roata, cateva astfel de impartiri ale fiintei umane in sapte...

astfel, chatterji, pe care compatriotii sai l-au acuzat ca a deformat gandirea indiana,  ne spune ca fiinta umana se compune din urmatoarele corpuri: 1 fizic, 2 eteric, 3 astral, 4 manas-ul (mentalul) inferior, 5 manas-ul (mentalul) superior, 6 buddhic, 7 atmic;

rudolf steiner, intemeietorul antropozofiei, ne da: 1 fizic, 2 eteric, 3 astral, 4 eul, 5 sinea spirituala, 6 spiritul vietii, 7 omul spirit - ultimele trei sunt de fapt manas-ul, buddhi si atma, asa ca e vorba, mai mult sau mai putin, de o variatiune pe aceeasi tema, desi mai nuantata;

mai aproape de noi, aivanhov ne spune: 1 fizic, 2 eteric, 3 astral, 4 mental, 5 cauzal, 6 budic, 7 atmic;

uneori "astralul" e considerat sinonim cu "emotionalul" si "buddhic-ul" cu "spiritualul", astfel ca, una peste alta, o varianta de impartire cat de cat acceptata a "corpurilor" ar fi:
1 fizic
2 eteric
3 astral (emotional)
4 mental
5 cauzal
6 spiritual (sau buddhic)
7 atmic

asa ca, inca o data, reiterez, nu inventasi matale roata. ah, da, vaz ca avusasi totusi o contributie...inversasi cauzalul su spiritualul si bagasi pe locul sapte "Cristul"! (pai da, adica numai aia cu buda al lor? hai si noi cu cristul nostru!)
asta ce "corp" mai e? si, mai ales, sunt tare curios cum il "vezi" tu? ca parca spuneai ca fiecare poa' sa le vada, daca se cazneste un pic...

mai departe ma abtin sa comentez. m-as bucura mult sa dezvolti putin ceea ce spusai io colea...

[sevastase]

Deci; oricit de mult ai incerca sa-ti multiplici sferele albe ale cunoasterii, atita timp cit te aflii in dimensiunea a treia (materiala), dualitatea creeaza instantaneu acelas nr. de sfere negre? Se poate oare printr-o modalitate omeneasca, sa stopam cumva creearea de sfere negre? Mie mi se pare imposibil...pentru un astfel de proces ar trebuii sa ne desprindem lent de constiinta materiala...NU? Si sa predam controlul pilotului automat care ar diminua gindirea coerenta (cam cum se intimpla in timpul cind conduci masina si nu te gindesti absolut de loc la asta si totusi conduci mai bine decit daca te-ai concentra la circulatie). Sau, e gresit ceea ce gindesc.....?

Sepoate...foarte multa lume nu realizeaza caatunci cand te disciplinezi si tecureti sau detoxifici fizic si spiritual, influentele negative dispar. Entitatile negativese hranesc cu aura pe care o afisezi atunci cand teafli sub influenta . Cand schimbi campul meisner in bine, disparsi influentele....Parerea mea e ca trebuie sa incepi fizic, si apoi psihic. Pentru ca nu poti medita limpede dupa o masa la McDonald's

"
VANQUISHING THE PREDATOR
From The Active Side of Infinity
By Carlos Castaneda
HarperCollins Publishers; 1998
From the Chapter entitled Mud Shadows; Pages 218-227
Excerpted by Jack Allis

"The sorcerers of ancient Mexico saw those shadows, and saw them as energy that flows in the universe. And they did discover something transcendental."

"They discovered that we have a companion for life," he said. "We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos, and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so."

"You have arrived, by your effort alone, at what the shamans of ancient Mexico called the topic of topics," don Juan said. "I have been beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is holding us prisoner. Indeed we are held prisoner! This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico."

"Why has this predator taken over in this fashion, don Juan?" I asked. "There must be a logical explanation."

"There is an explanation," don Juan replied, "which is the simplest explanation in the world. They took over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, the predators rear us in human coops. Therefore, their food is always available to them."

"No, no, no, no," I heard myself saying. "This is absurd, don Juan. What you're saying is something monstrous. It simply can't be true, for sorcerers or for average men, or for anyone."

"Why not?" don Juan asked calmly. "Why not? Because it infuriates you."

"Well," he said, "you haven't heard all the claims yet. Wait a bit longer and see how you feel. I'm going to subject you to a blitz. That is, I'm going to subject your mind to tremendous onslaughts, and you cannot get up and leave because you're caught. Not because I'm holding you prisoner, but because something in you will prevent you from leaving, while another part of you is going to go completely berserk. So brace yourself!"

"I want to appeal to your analytical mind," don Juan said. "Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradiction between man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behavior. Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of beliefs, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success and failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal."

"But how can they do this, don Juan?" I asked. "Do they whisper all that in our ears while we sleep?"

"No, they don't do it that way. That's idiotic!" don Juan said, smiling. "They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that. In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver - stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me! The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with fear of being discovered any minute now."

"I know that even though you have never experienced hunger," he went on, "you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any minute now its maneuver is going to be uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear."

He explained that sorcerers see infant human beings as strange luminous balls of energy, covered from the top to the bottom with a glowing coat, something like a plastic cover that is adjusted tightly over their cocoon of energy. He said that that glowing coat of awareness was what the predators consumed, and that when a human being reached adulthood, all that was left of that glowing coat of awareness was a narrow fringe that went from the ground to the top of the toes. That fringe permitted mankind to continue living, but only barely.

He then made the most damaging statement he had made so far. He said that this narrow fringe of awareness was the epicenter of self-reflection, where man is irremediably caught. By playing on our self-refection, which is the only point of awareness left to us, the predators create flares of awareness that they proceed to consume in a ruthless, predatory fashion. They give us inane problems that force those flares of awareness to rise, and in this manner they keep us alive in order for them to be fed with the energetic flare of our pseudoconcerns.

"But why is it that the sorcerers of ancient Mexico and all sorcerers today, although they see the predators, don't do anything about it?" I asked.

"There's nothing that you and I can do about it," don Juan said in a grave, sad voice. "All we can do is discipline ourselves to the point where they will not touch us. How can you ask your fellow men to go through those rigors of discipline? They'll laugh and make fun of you, and the more aggressive ones will beat the shit out of you. And not so much because they don't believe it. Down in the depths of every human being, there's an ancestral, visceral knowledge about the predators' existence."

"The sorcerers of ancient Mexico," he said, "saw the predator. The called it the flyer because it leaps through the air. It is a not a pretty sight. It is a big shadow, impenetrably dark, a black shadow that jumps through the air. Then, it lands flat on the ground. The sorcerers of ancient Mexico were quite ill at ease with the idea of when it made its appearance on Earth. They reasoned that man must have been a complete being at one point, with stupendous insights, feats of awareness that are mythological legends nowadays. And then everything seems to disappear, and we have now a sedated man."

"What I'm saying is that what we have against us is not a simple predator. It is very smart, and organized. It follows a methodical system to render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no longer magical. He's an average piece of meat. There are no more dreams for man but the dreams of an animal who is being raised to become a piece of meat: trite, conventional, imbecilic."

"This predator is not altogether invisible to us. I think as children we do see it and decide it's so horrific that we don't want to think about it. Children, of course, could insist on focusing on the sight, but everybody else around them dissuades them from doing so."

"The only alternative left for mankind, " he continued, "is discipline. Discipline is the only deterrent. But by discipline I don't mean harsh routines. I don't mean waking up every morning at five-thirty and throwing cold water on yourself until you're blue. Sorcerers understand discipline as the capacity to face with serenity odds that are not included in our expectations. For them, discipline is an art: the art of facing infinity without flinching, not because they are strong and tough but because they are filled with awe."

"Sorcerers say that discipline makes the glowing coat of awareness unpalatable to the flyer," don Juan said, scrutinizing my face as if to discover any signs of disbelief. "The result is that the predators become bewildered. An inedible glowing coat of awareness is not part of their cognition, I suppose. After being bewildered, they don't have any recourse other than refraining from continuing their nefarious task."

"If the predators don't eat our glowing coat of awareness for a while, " he went on, "it'll keep on growing. Simplifying this matter to the extreme, I can say that sorcerers, by means of their disciple, push the predators away long enough to allow their glowing coat of awareness to grow beyond the level of the toes. Once it goes beyond the level of the toes, it grows back to it natural size. The sorcerers of ancient Mexico used to say that the glowing coat of awareness is like a tree. If it is not pruned, it grows to its natural size and volume. As awareness reaches levels higher than the toes, tremendous maneuvers of perception become a matter of course."

"The grand trick of those sorcerers of ancient times," don Juan continued, "was to burden the flyers' mind with discipline. They found out that if they taxed the flyers' mind with inner silence, the foreign installation would flee; giving to any one of the practitioners involved in this maneuver the total certainty of the mind's foreign origin. The foreign installation comes back, I assure you, but not as strong, and a process begins in which the fleeing of the flyers' mind becomes routine, until one day it flees permanently. A sad day indeed! That's the day when you have to rely on your own devices, which are nearly zero. There's no one to tell you what to do. There's no mind of foreign origin to dictate the imbecilities you're accustomed to."

"My teacher, the nagual Julian, used to warn all his disciples," don Juan continued, "that this was the toughest day in a sorcerer's life, for the real mind that belongs to us, the sum total of our experience, after a lifetime of domination has been rendered shy, insecure, and shifty. Personally, I would say that the real battle of sorcerers begins at that moment. The rest is merely preparation."

"Discipline taxes the foreign mind no end," he replied. "So, through their discipline, sorcerers vanquish the foreign installation."

"I am going to give the flyer's mind, which you carry inside you, one more jolt. I am going to reveal to you one of the most extraordinary secrets of sorcery. I am going to describe to you a finding that took sorcerers thousands of years to verify and consolidate."

He looked at me and smiled maliciously. "The flyer's mind flees forever," he said, "when a sorcerer succeeds in grabbing on to the vibrating force that holds us together as a conglomerate of energy fields. If a sorcerer maintains that pressure long enough, the flyer's mind flees in defeat. And that's exactly what you are going to do: hold on to the energy that binds you together."

"Tonight, you have really succeeded in getting me lost," I said.

"You're being torn by an internal struggle," don Juan said. "Down in the depths of you, you know that you are incapable of refusing the agreement that an indispensable part of you, your glowing coat of awareness, is going to serve as an incomprehensible source of nourishment to, naturally, incomprehensible entities. And another part of you will stand against this situation with all its might."

"The sorcerers' revolution," he continued, "is that they refuse to honor agreements in which they did not participate. Nobody ever asked me if I would consent to be eaten by beings of a different kind of awareness. My parents just brought me into this world to be food, like themselves, and that's the end of the story."

Astae cea mai concisa descriere. Putin simbolism in ea dar esenta este f precisa.

[adipop]

Vad ca iar s-a deconetcat sistemul si am crezut ca iar s-a pierdut ce-am scris.
In sinteza, mi-am cerut scuze c-am facut afirmatia referitoare la nume. In rest, absolut totul este de conceptie proprie, prin observatii atente la ce se intampla.
Aceste corpuri ( cosmosuri ) pot lua orice denumire, facuta de oricine. Important este ca ele exista si sunt observabile, mai ales de copii, si ele se comporta dupa anumite Legi.

[adipop]

Voi raspunde din nou, din respect pentru cel care studiaza si doreste sa faca ceva bun.

Deci; oricit de mult ai incerca sa-ti multiplici sferele albe ale cunoasterii, atita timp cit te aflii in dimensiunea a treia (materiala), dualitatea creeaza instantaneu acelas nr. de sfere negre?


Am observat ca evolutia se realizeaza pe trepte. Si la copiii mici, am observat asa ceva. Apar tot felul de informatii pozitive ( bila alba ), mai mare decat cele anterioare. Evoluezi in autocunoastere. In acelasi Timp, mintea fiind mai structurata, si prostii poti sa le faci mai evoluat. Bila neagra, este mai mare decat in treapta inferioara.

Se poate oare printr-o modalitate omeneasca, sa stopam cumva creearea de sfere negre?

Nu stiu. Le observi, dar asta nu inseamna ca trebuie sa faci prostii.

Mie mi se pare imposibil...pentru un astfel de proces ar trebuii sa ne desprindem lent de constiinta materiala...NU?

Eu stiu ca Spiritul si Materia trebuie sa evolueze in acelasi Timp. Este ca un fel de bun simt, prin care evolutia este pe drumul cel bun. Cand arunci un bat intr-o apa curgatoare, el are inaintarea cea mai mare, pe mijlocul apei. Pe margine, intervine frecarea cu malul.
Multi oameni cand merg pe-o parte cand pe alta, fara sa fie atenti la reactia sistemului.

Si sa predam controlul pilotului automat care ar diminua gindirea coerenta (cam cum se intimpla in timpul cind conduci masina si nu te gindesti absolut de loc la asta si totusi conduci mai bine decit daca te-ai concentra la circulatie). Sau, e gresit ceea ce gindesc.....?

Stiu ca nu trebuie sa pierzi busola. Daca se intampla, ti-ai facut-o cu mana ta si daca ai " credit " te ajuti ( esti ajutat de corpurile superioare dezvoltate ) sa iesi...

adi

[adipop]

@adipop: cum identifici tu sinele personal, cumva ca pe ingerul tau ?

totusi sa revenim la subiect, are cineva de pe forum deschis al 3-lea ochi ? vreau sa-i pun cateva intrebari

Sinele, sau ingerul tau, sau inconstientul, sau eul tau. Spune-i cum vrei.
El este nepregatit la inceput si poate sa ramana in stare incipienta, infantila, toata Viata. Trebuie sa te ocupi de el, ca la randul lui, sa se ocupe de tine. Exiata o relatie biunivoca intre tine si el, de care trebuie sa aveti grija amandoi.
adi

[sevastase]

fizic suntem maturi dar spiritual suntem infantili.

[CHIP]

Unele persoane da si altele nu.Nu crezi?

[contemplatorul]

Lylyt_ice,

SPIRITUL - sau CONSIINTA SUPERIOARA - este VESNIC, ETERN, INFINIT !

SUFLETUL - sau CONSTIINTA PRIMITIVA - este EFEMER, TRECATOR, FINIT !

Legatura, puntea dintre SUFLET si SPIRIT, trebuie sa ti-o construiesti singur, in cazul in care n-ai avut inca un SPIRIT, care  sa-ti arate cum se creeaza un asemenea EDIFICIU IN_VIZIBIL, creand el insusi catre tine puntea care-ti lipseste.

[Khaarsha]

Legatura, puntea dintre SUFLET si SPIRIT, trebuie sa ti-o construiesti singur, in cazul in care n-ai avut inca un SPIRIT, care  sa-ti arate cum se creeaza un asemenea EDIFICIU IN_VIZIBIL, creand el insusi catre tine puntea care-ti lipseste.

Cuma adica sa nu ai un spirit? Probabil te referi la ceva de genul "inger pazitor?" E voie sa-ti creeze altcineva acea punte? Din cate stiu eu, nu e voie...face parte din pregatire...

[contemplatorul]

Adipop,

Da, se foloseste in LIMBAJUL PROFAN terminologia de INGER, dar ea vrea  ca sa diferentieze intre urmatoarele aspecte:

1) daca esti doar UN SUFELT sau O CONSTIINTA PRIMITIVA;
2) sau daca esti UN SPIRIT sau O CONSTIINTA SUPERIOARA,

cazuri in care:

a) se spune despre CONSTIINTELE SUPERIOARE ca: " au un INGER pazitor ";

b) iar despre ceilalti, se spune ca: " sunt slabi de INGER ".

INGERUL, este insa nu doar O CONSTIINTA SUPERIOARA, ci este chiar: CONSTIINTA SUPREMA !

[sevastase]

Lylyt_ice,

SPIRITUL - sau CONSIINTA SUPERIOARA - este VESNIC, ETERN, INFINIT !

SUFLETUL - sau CONSTIINTA PRIMITIVA - este EFEMER, TRECATOR, FINIT !

Legatura, puntea dintre SUFLET si SPIRIT, trebuie sa ti-o construiesti singur, in cazul in care n-ai avut inca un SPIRIT, care  sa-ti arate cum se creeaza un asemenea EDIFICIU IN_VIZIBIL, creand el insusi catre tine puntea care-ti lipseste.

Am mai trecut peste asta...singurul lucru finit e corpul uman..cel fizic.

[contemplatorul]

Khaarsha,

Constiinta PRIMITIVA, reprezinta SUFLETUL.
Constiinta SUPERIOARA, reprezinta SPIRITUL.
Constiinta SUPREMA, repezinta INGERUL.

Da, pana acum nu era permisa INITIEREA, fiind considerata INALTA TRADARE. Cei care o practicau, erau EXCOMUNICATI. Dar de acum incolo situatia s-a schimbat, deoarece HAOSUL a proliferat atingand APOGEUL, ORDINEA, COERENTA fiind redusa pana aproape de ANULARE.

ANARHIA, care nu inseamna nimic altceva decat: RISIPA DE RESURSE VITALE, fiind confundata intentionat cu DEPLINA LIBERTATE !

[contemplatorul]

INGERII sunt singurii CREATORI !

Despre ei, atat SUFLETELE, cat si SPIRITELE: spun ca sunt capabili ca sa faca MINUNI !

Prin MINUNI intelegandu-se insa UN PROGRES REAL si nu UN PROGRES IMAGINAR, inselator, iluzoriu, adica: care ascunde efectele NEGATIVE colaterale ale unor astfel de "MINUNATII" !

[someone_creator]

TU ai scris:
"Da, pana acum nu era permisa INITIEREA, fiind considerata INALTA TRADARE. Cei care o practicau, erau EXCOMUNICATI. Dar de acum incolo situatia s-a schimbat, deoarece HAOSUL a proliferat atingand APOGEUL, ORDINEA, COERENTA fiind redusa pana aproape de ANULARE"

Explica ,te rog:
-despre ce fel de initiere e vorba?cine si asupra cui se facea??
-inalta tradare=????   a cui?si pe cine?
-cine o practicau,unde ,si ce anume practicau?
-erau excomunicati,unde? si ce conseciinte avea aceasta excomunicare?
-si asta se practica (inteleg)pana recent daca "de acum incolo situatia s-a schimbat"
+alte explicatii pe care vei dori sa mi le comunici!

[contemplatorul]

someone,

Sunt naivitati !

Era de fapt un eseu ! Nu mai baga in seama !

Am confundat acest forum cu cel de SCIENCE FICTION !

Va rog sa-mi permiteti sa ma retrag !