Adevarul despre 11 septembrie 2001

[LupinThe3rd]

Ola...
Tura intai...
Se pare ca Q33 NY  e doar un hoax. Numarul zobrului este N334AA cunoscut ca si zborul 11.
Lista victimelor de la 911 o gasesti la:
http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/victims_list.htm#The%20victims%20are%20divided%20into%20these%20groups:
Gasesti acolo: AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 11

[DepthOfField]

Se pare ca Q33 NY  e doar un hoax. Numarul zobrului este N334AA cunoscut ca si zborul 11

:-o foarte interesant ar fi de stiut cum si de ce a aparut acest hoax... si la cati a sucit el mintile.... (eu deja ma cam miram de coincidenta). damn'it, natura umana

[spooky]

e normal sa apara astfel de chestii... pana la urma... serviciile de informatii de ce exista?... sa dezinformeze, sa creeze legende urbane etc.

apropo... cine a vazut SouthPark... episodul 9 parca... :))

[spooky]

iar cat priveste victimele din avioane sa nu uitam niste elemente interesante:
- gradul de ocupare era MULT sub medie... avand in vedere ca era si o perioada aglomerata.
- avioanele respective (nu imi aduc aminte daca toate) nu erau planificate a zbura
- "teroristii" nu apar pe manifestele (lista cu pasageri) ale zborurilor
- "teroristii" nu apar in nici un caz pe listele de autopsii
- un pasaport supravietuieste intact... misterios... de la un terorist care se afla intr-unul din cele 2 turnuri
- cat de tampit poti sa fii sa iti lasi intr-un taxi: manual de terorism, nustiu ce carti de Coran, lista TUTUROR teroristilor implicati in atenta si nu mai stiu ce alte "dovezi"...

ma scuzati... dar ma apuca rasul...

[LupinThe3rd]

Spooky... ai dat email-ul la FBI in legatura cu pagina de net :D?
Discutia cu avioanele a plecat de la indicele Q... samd care de fapt nu e numarul zborului 11.
Intrebarile tale sunt legitime dar exista cateva puncte:

1. Zborul 11 N334AA era zbor regulat.
2. Zborul 175 era zbor regulat.
3. Zborul 77 la fel.
4. Zborul 93 la fel.

Gradul de ocupare mult sub medie nu cred ca este un argument valid si poate fi intrepretat ca restul lumii stia si nu au planificat sa zboare iar repsectivi din avioane nu. Argumentul e ilogic. Am zburat in interior Japoniei in perioada de varf cu avion aproape gol....

Nu stiu ce sa raspund la faptul ca teroristii nu apar pe lista de pasageri. In ce sens? Nu erau cu dinamita? sau?
Care e povestea cu pasaportul? Mai detaliata...
La aia cu cat de tampit poti sa fi incat... La fel de tampit cat sa te duci cu o centura de dinamita intr-o scoala (la rusi) sau sa arunci moscheia vecinului in aer ca e altfel de musulman (tu shiit, el sunnit respectiv viceversa)...

[spooky]

daca ai fi fost atent, ti-am dat linkul catre un articol de pe net... si acolo vei afla ce a raspuns FBI.  :lol:

cat despre zboruri...

tu ce punctezi... ca erau zboruri regulate... ok... sunt perfect deacord si nimic deosebit... erau regulate... si?

cat despre medie... chiar stau si ma intreb daca stii ce inseamna o anomalie... cand ai greadul de ocupare sa zicem 80% ...  iar 4 din au sa zicem 30%... nu ti se pare putin... ANOMALIE? iar aceste 4 curse sa fie implicate in "cel mai grav atentat terorist"? argumentul e prea logic. iar ocuparea avioanelor nu se face cum se face la cu trenurile... ai 5 compartimente pline 100% si restul goale...

Nu stiu ce sa raspund la faptul ca teroristii nu apar pe lista de pasageri. In ce sens? Nu erau cu dinamita? sau?

ce e greu de inteles... da-mi voie sa refuz ca nu intelegi ce vrei sa zici sau schimbam nivelul de comunicare.

povestea e simpla... s-a gasit un pasaport. a supravietuit in mod miraculos, a zburat din buzunarul unui terorist care se afla intr-un avion si a fost gasit cateva strazi mai incolo.... intaact. vrei mai mult... research please.

pai... ironia mea consta ca povestea plantata, pentru ca e plantata, e cat se poate de absurda... daca nu ai inteles gluma... iar paralela cu centura de dinamita... ca vad ca ai ceva cu dinamita mi se pare rau offtopic. tu probabil ca nu stii ce inseamna a fi musulman. nu vreau sa dau lectii despre asa ceva, nici nu sunt sau nu am nici o legatura... dar cel putin cunosc anumite lucruri despre asta.. iar tu incurci lucrurile ca intr-un bors...

[jackie28t]

Un articol foarte interant...

South Tower Flight UA175 Dropped WRONG Engine In NYC Street
http://home.att.net/~south.tower/STengine1.htm





In December, 2005, The Power Hour interviewed aircraft experts about the South Tower crash aircraft:

Col. George Nelson USAF (ret.), who has 30 years of experience identifying aircraft and aircraft parts stated, "The plane that hit the south tower on 9/11 was not United Airlines (UA) flight 175".  After reviewing numerous video clips and photographs of the 9/11 attacks, he concluded, "That was not a commercial airliner. The planes were substituted."
Glen Standish, an airline pilot for over 20 years stated, "The plane seen in various video clips of the attack could not have been UA flight 175, due to the extra equipment that appears to be attached to the bottom of the fuselage".
Nila Sagadevin, a seasoned airline pilot of over 20 years, examined photos of the engine that was found at the Trade Center site. He stated, "The engine found at the Trade Center was a CFM-56, which is not utilized on a Boeing 767", confirming that the south tower was not hit by flight 175, but by another plane that had taken its place.

[jackie28t]

Another 911 'Passport Miracle' !
http://www.rense.com/general68/pass.htm

de la:

New 911 Data
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/new911data.htm

[udar]

Stan: Did they find out who crapped in the urinal yet? 
Kyle: Not yet. 
Cartman: They aren't going to find out who did it. But they'll make up a scapegoat, send him to detention, and make us all believe it. It'll be 9/11 all over again. 
Kyle: Will you shut up about 9/11! 
Cartman: Kyle, why are you so afraid of the truth?! 
Kyle: Because anybody who thinks 9/11 was a conspiracy is a retard! 
Cartman: Oh really? Well did you know that over one-fourth of people in America think that 9/11 was a conspiracy? Are you saying that one-fourth of Americans are retards? 
Kyle: Yes. I'm saying one-fourth of Americans are retards. 
Stan: Yeah, at least one-fourth. 
Kyle: Let's take a test sample: There's four of us, you're a retard, that's one-fourth. 

Donald Rumsfeld: Come on in, Mr. President. [President Bush comes in through one of the side doors] 
Kyle: Uh, Mr. President, my name is- 
Bush: SSHHUUDDUUPP!! You think we don't know your name?! We know everything! We control everything! [walks to his desk] We've all worked very hard to keep our involvement in 9/11 a secret! But you just had to keep digging! 
Kyle: [quite surprised] Really? 
911truth Man: You won't get away with it! People know! 
Bush: People? You mean sheeple. We have the majority of them kept in blissful ignorance. Just one more... leak... [pulls out a pistol and his voice gets sinister] to fix... [the Secret Service agents take the 911truth man to the President] 
911truth Man: Wait. What are you doing? 
Bush: [leaves his desk and cocks the gun] You've been a thorn in our side for too long, I'm afraid. 
911truth Man: No! You can't do this! [Bush grabs him by the collar] Please! I'll stop. I'll take down the Web site. I'll sto- [the President sticks the gun into the man's mouth] Oh no! Oh no! 
Bush: Too late. [squeezes the trigger once and the bullet goes clear through the man's head. The 911truth man is dead] 
Stan: JESUS CHRIST!! 
Rumsfeld: [Condoleezza Rice stands to his left] Hahaha. He died like a pig. 
Bush: [wipes the blood off his clothes and skin] Some pigs never learn. 
Kyle: [in sheer disbelief, cocks his head right] No. Way. 
Stan: He was right. You DID cause 9/11. 
Bush: Yes. Quite simple to pull off, really. All I had to do was have explosives planted in the base of the towers. Then on 9/11 we pretended like four planes were being hijacked.when really we just rerouted them to Pennsylvania, then flew two military jets into the World Trade Center filled with more explosives, then shot down all the witnesses of Flight 93 with an F-15 after blowing up the Pentagon with a Cruise missile. It was only the world's most intricate and flawlessly-executed ever, ever. 
Kyle: [ever more incredulous, cocks his head left and lower] ...Really?? 
Stan: Why?! 
Bush: [smiling, he begins to pace] Oldest reason in the world. Money. The towers fell and the American sheeple all waved their flags. [walks by Dick Cheney, who's got a crossbow and is dressed to hunt] Finally we could invade Iraq, [finishes off with sinister glee] and get the oil which made us all richer than before. 
Rumsfeld: [rubs his hands together greedily] Beauutiful money, hahahaha! 

Mr. Hardly: That all the 9/11 conspiracy Web sites are run by the government. The 9/11 conspiracy... is a government conspiracy. 
Stan: Aw Jesus... 
Kyle: Why would the government want people to believe they caused 9/11? 
Mr. Hardly: For a government to have power, they must appear to have complete control. What better way to make people fear them than to convince them they are capable of the most elaborate plan on earth? 
Bush: [off-screen] That's quite enough, Hardly! [the camera shows him entering with his staff] Don't believe what he says, boys; we caused 9/11. [brings forth a manila folder] It's all right here in these secret documents, [hugs the folder tight] but you'll never get them. [turns around as he yawns, dropping the folder to the floor behind him. No one picks them up] 
Kyle: I knew it! You didn't plan 9/11 and you really didn't shoot that guy! 
Bush: Boys, you don't understand. People need to think we are all-powerful. That we control the world. If they know we weren't in charge of 9/11 then... we appear to control nothing. 
Kyle: Well why don't you just tell people the truth?! 
Bush: We do that too. And most people believe the truth. But one fourth of the population is retarded. If they wanna believe we control everything with intricate plans, why not let them?

citate din episodul 1009 - The Mystery of the Urinal Deuce din South Park

cred ca spun totul...

[LupinThe3rd]

Draga Spooky, scuze daca raspunsul meu a fost offtopic.
Totusi da-i ca argument ca cursele nu erau regulate(cu paranteza ca asa iti amintesti, dar nu da-i o tura pe google) si cand vine raspunsul ca de fapt erau regulate spui ca nue nimic deosebit :D

cat despre zboruri...
tu ce punctezi... ca erau zboruri regulate... ok... sunt perfect deacord si nimic deosebit... erau regulate... si?

Referitor la gradul de umplere, nu stiu cat de des zbori cu avionul, dar eu ca unul care face cam 10 zboruri pe an mai stiu ca un avion nu e ca RATA de Caracal sa fie tot timpul plin. Adica tu vrei sa spui ca de fapt conspiratorii au folosit avioanele alea ca aveau grad de umplere mai mic din motive umanitare? pentru a reduce numarul de victime? sau vrei sa spui ca restul de ipotetici pasageri din 6 miliarde de oameni stiau si de aia nu au zburat? Poti sa vad o constructie logica deductiva?

cat despre medie... chiar stau si ma intreb daca stii ce inseamna o anomalie... cand ai greadul de ocupare sa zicem 80% ...  iar 4 din au sa zicem 30%... nu ti se pare putin... ANOMALIE? iar aceste 4 curse sa fie implicate in "cel mai grav atentat terorist"? argumentul e prea logic. iar ocuparea avioanelor nu se face cum se face la cu trenurile... ai 5 compartimente pline 100% si restul goale...

Frumoasa ironia si am inteles-o de la inceput... Acu' daca te intrebai retoric cine e atat de tampit... eu am raspuns... daca nu iti convine raspunsul nu te pot ajuta :D. Acu daca ai fi musulman, ca nu esti si nu ai nici o legatura dar cunosti anumite lucruri (mi-a placut fraza...curat, murdar nu alta)... nu ti se pare ilogic sau tampit in lupta cu inamicul american sa arunci moschea vecinului in aer? Mie mi se pare... Tie? :D

[jackie28t]

Mda trecand peste unele posturi....revenim la subiectul nostru Adevarul despre 11 septembrie 2001
Vreau doar sa va informez cu un articol interesant aparut pe data de 7 noiembrie 2006 pe websitul Infowars.net
________________________________________________________________

Pentagon 9/11 Video Being Held Back by FBI
Government says it needs "more time" before releasing a video that shows nothing
source: http://www.infowars.net/articles/november2006/071106Pentagon_tape.htm



Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Tuesday, November 7, 2006

The FBI has further delayed the release of a video that many bloggers have speculated may show the impact of flight 77 into the Pentagon on September 11th 2001.

Following last week's article detailing the imminent release of the Doubletree hotel video, a reader has informed us that after calling Judicial Watch and asking when the video would be made public, he was told:

'The Government said they needed more time'. When asked when enough time would pass before they could release the tape, they said they didn't know and it was indefinite...

Judicial Watch had previously announced that the video would be released before November the ninth and even speculated that it may be used as a political tool in order to sway mid-term election votes.

Ongoing FOIA requests and subsequent lawsuits should now have forced all known video tapes of the Pentagon attack out into the open. It seems that abiding by judicial law is something that the FBI refuses to be a part of however.

Judicial Watch Director of Investigations & Research and former military intelligence officer Chris Farrell, previously appearing on the Alex Jones show, agreed that the DoD only released the original Pentagon parking lot tape back in May 2006 because they wanted to for their own reasons. We have witnessed numerous times over the government claim national security in refusing to release evidence and they could have done the same in this instance yet they deliberately chose to relent and release the new tapes.

Why does the government need more time to release a video that is admitted by the FBI, under penalty of perjury, to show absolutely nothing? What are they cooking up? If they are not cooking anything up why are they flouting the law by refusing to release this and the other 83 tapes?



We have previously documented our concerns that the Pentagon issue may be used as a honey pot trap to bait 9/11 truthers into a distracting debate over what hit the building, deflecting attention away from the fact that whatever it was was allowed through the air defenses and performed incredible high speed military style maneuvers that even crack fighter pilots would find near impossible.

We can nip this baited trap in the bud by once again demanding the release of all videos they admit they have in their possession. We can then re-focus on demanding plausible explanations as to how the air defenses were bypassed at every stage and as to what brought the buildings down, including a 47 story building that was not attacked.

ACTION: Email and call Judicial Watch and demand they follow up on their promise to get the Doubletree and the other 83 videos released as per their ongoing lawsuit.
_______________

Sa nu uitati sa cititi si acele comentariile din partea cititorilor..sunt foarte intelesante:
Comments (21) | Trackback ...de la sfarsitul acelei pagini
http://www.infowars.net/articles/november2006/071106Pentagon_tape.htm

[jackie28t]

Urmariti acest video in care se arata ca cladirea numarul 7 s-a prabusit prin demolare planuita.Asta starneste multe intrebari revolutionare.
wtc 7 collapse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A&eurl=

Mai multe informatii despre cladirea nr.7 aici: http://www.wtc7.net/

[jackie28t]

Va propun sa renuntam la speculatii si sa discutam aici ceea ce stim sigur si simtim in sufletul nostru despre ce se discuta. Altfel, ne pierdem timpul luptindu-ne in idei citite si aflate de la altii, cind am putea sa ne traim viata si sa ne folosim inteligenta mult mai bine.

Si eu a-ti propun AdiM sa nu ne mai propui nimic noua si sa lesi pe fiecare sa discutam si sa dezbatem ce dorim.
Poate ca intr-adevar noi toti cei de aici am fi trebui sa discutam doar despre castraveti si bostani ca sa ne traim viata si sa ne folosim inteligenta mult mai bine asa cum ai precizat tu..ce spui de asta? :-D LOL

Poate ai trebui AdiM sa vizionezi toate filmele de pe linkurile postate de ''tuzmor'' dupa care sa te intorci aici si sa-ti dai cu parerea despre discutia acestui topic: http://www.rufon.org/forum/index.php/topic,702.0.html
Tu nici macar nu stii despre ce este vorba....nici macar nu te uiti peste evidentele pe care sunt puse pe masa sub ochii tai dar te ridici inpicioare si ne propui propuneri.

[spooky]

http://www.rufon.org/911info/south.tower.demolition.pops_v2.avi

[jackie28t]

Spooky..am ascultat sunetul prabusirii dar nu inteleg ce vrei sa spui cu acel link? :roll: