Chro_nos_project cu clopot rotitor si vibratii violet

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  Deja m-am enervat  :lol: si deschid un subiect promis de foarte mult timp de @Xanadron
  Imi permit sa-l deschid eu cu speranta ca poate asa, master Zen va gasi timp sa mai scrie cate o postare PLPAFC ( prea lunga pentru a fi citita )  :lol:
  Pentru inceput un text mic in engleza ca nu mai stau la ora asta sa traduc .

Die Glocke
"The Bell" (German: Die Glocke) represented something at the very pinnacle of SS General's Hans Kammler's occult and super-secret SS "wonder weapons" empire. Nick Cook's book, "Hunt for Zero Point" represents the only publicly accessible information on this bizarre object in the English language, the equally macabre experimentation that surrounded it, and the stringent security the SS held it under. The following are the salient features of The Bell, according to information Cook received from both German and Czech sources:
(1) The Bell was reportedly a metallic object, approximately 9 ft. in diameter and 12-15 ft. tall;
(2) It looked like a "Bell", hence its codename to the Germans, die Glocke;
(3) It was comprised of two counter-rotating cylinders, rotating a purplish liquid-metallic looking substance code-named "Xerum 525" by the Germans, at high speeds;
(4) "Xerum 525" was apparently highly radioactive, being purple in color, and housed in cylinders with lead lining 3 cm (12 in.) thick;
(5) The Bell apparently required high amounts of electrical power in its operation;
(6) During use, it could only be run for approximately one to two minutes, as it apparently gave off strong radiation and/or other electromagnetic or unknown field effects;
(a) Several scientist died on its first operation; (b) Subsequent tests included various plants and animals, all of which decomposed into a blackish goo and without normal putrefaction, within a matter of a few minutes or hours after exposure to its field effects when in operation; (c) Technicians near the Bell during these experiments reported metallic tastes in their mouths after being exposed to it; (d) The chamber in which the Bell was tested was lined with ceramic bricks and rubber mats, and had to have its rubber matting removed and burned after each test, and it was subsequently washed down with brine by inmates from nearby concentration camps;
(7) All the scientists and witnesses who saw or worked on the Bell were murdered by the SS as the war neared its end;
8) The Bell was transplanted out of Silesia to a destination that has never been discovered. The Bell, along with General Kammler himself, simply disappear entirely from history, never to be seen again. It is believed, however, that both the Bell and General Kammler were transported by U-boat to a base outside of the Reich (Base 211 in Neu Schwabenland, Antarctica being the strongest choice). Others suggest Norway where German troops still held that territory with another Ju-390 supposedly kept in reserve as an evacuation aircraft.
(9) A strange "henge" like structure was constructed by the Germans out of reinforced concrete near the facility where the Bell was located and tested. This structure resembled a test rig for the possible test of extremely powerful propulsion devices.
During WWII, a curious episode took place, indicating an awareness of a whole new realm of secret phenomena and abilities. As chronicled in Nick Cook's excellent The Hunt for Zero Point, strange equipment and means were employed in a secret test chamber built in Poland deep under the northern Sudenten Mountains near the Silesian coal mining center of Waldenburg.
The project was code-named Chronos and involved a device always called "Die Glocke"- the Bell. The device was made out of a hard, heavy metal (depleted uranium?) and filled with a mercury like substance, violet in color. This metallic liquid was stored in thermos like flasks encased in lead. The device was installed deep down in the earth in Wenceslas Mine. When the Bell was energized, it was wrapped in a ceramic cover and involved the rapid spinning of two cylinders in opposite directions. A local dam was used to generate electrical power to power up the Lanternholder [Laternenträger]. The violet mercury-like substance was called "Xerum 525". Other substances known to have been involved in the testing were thorium and beryllium peroxides code named "Leichtmetall".
The test chamber was 30 meters square and lined with ceramic tiles. The floors and walls were covered with heavy black rubber mats.The test room and all electrical equipment but the Bell were disposed of after every few tests. Apparently, they became contaminated in some fashion and were disposed of in a furnace.
The tests themselves were quite short. A minute would pass and the Bell would give off a strange blue glow. Test personnel were kept 150 to 200 meters away shielded by tons of rock. After each test the room would be entered by concentration camp workers who would spray the room down with some type of brine for 45 minutes. Collateral damage for them.
The Nazi super scientists placed animals, plants and insects nearby the Bell during testing. A strange crystalline substance invaded animal tissue, destroying life. Plants thus exposed lost all their chlorophyll, turning deathly white in several hours. Refinements of the equipment was made and it's lethality diminished. Despite protective clothing, five of the seven scientists involved later died from ailments involving sleep problems, metallic taste in the mouth, nerve spasms and loss of memory and balance.
According to the theories of some physicists, a torsion field of sufficient intensity can bend space around the generator. The more torsion you generate, the more space you alter. When you bend space, you also bend time.
Were the Nazis doing some time traveling towards the end of WWII?
OPERATION
The rotation of the object, and presumably the radioactive liquid-metal called "Xerum 525", suggests that the Germans were investigating the inertial and vortex properties of radioactive material when subjected to high speed rotation, as well as the resulting field effects.
It is likely that this rotation was caused by passing a current through the liquid - hence the high power consumption - but the possibility of mechanical rotation should not be ruled out in addition to this, as German progress in jet engine turbines and uranium centrifuges would have given them the experience to construct very high speed turbines for rotating such material for study. In this sense, it is possible that the Bell was nothing more than two counter-rotating ultra-high speed turbines That is to say, the Bell may have been an ultra high speed electro- mechanical turbine of some sort, an offshoot, perhaps, of German centrifuge technology development.
The housing of this device in an underground chamber lined with ceramic brick and rubber mats suggests that it gave off extremely strong electro-magnetic or electro-static field effects as well as high heat when in operation. The reporting of metallic tastes in the mouths of what few surviving personnel there are suggests this. The quick decay without apparent putrefaction of organic material within its field suggests effects that some would associate with scalar waves.
But what was the mysterious "Xerum 525"? When first investigating this strange material, the first thought is that it might be some radioactive isotope of mercury, or possibly a more radioactive substance in chemical solution of some sort. It is perhaps worth noting that recently a strange substance known as "red mercury", or mercury antominate oxide, has been alleged to have strong neutron emitting properties when subjected to sudden explosive stress, and is alleged to be a non-fissile method of triggering the enormous fusion reactions of hydrogen bombs, as well as being able, in its own right, of fission explosions in the small kiloton range. Perhaps the Nazis had stumbled onto a similar such substance during the war.
Cook also notes that, at the end of the war, Kammler had special jurisdiction over a secret "SS evacuation command" that had been personally established by Reichsleiter Martin Bormann in great secrecy. This command included jurisdiction over all of Nazi Germany's heavy-lift ultra-long range transport aircraft, including the Ju-290 and the six engine monster, the Ju-390, stationed near Prag-Kbely Aerodrome. These planes were based at the end of the war quite near the secret underground facility where the Bell was being tested.

sursa http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/12nrad/the_nazi_ufo_die_glocke/

  In esenta si pe scurt sunt niste punctari din surse germane si cehe privitoare la Xerum525 un material violet  :-o , clopotul era format din doua parti rotitoare in sensuri contrare la viteze f mari, consuma f. multa energie si nu era lasat sa functioneze mai mult de vreo 3 minute . etc. Se incheie totul cu disparitia dispozitivului si a generalului raspunzator de proiect.

  Proiectul Chronos al clopotului nazi imi pare pe aceeasi linie cu celalalt proiect  german Chronos , cel care se desfasoara si in prezent in subteranele metroului berlinez- cine a citit pe aici pe forum stie despre ce e vorba.
  Continuam in alta zi  :-)

P.S. am pus acest titlu pt a fi considerat un subiect banal de catre spideri, crawleri si ce alte insecte mai circula pe sub WWW. Poate fi schimbat insa daca e necesar.

[Xanadron]

1. Nu mai scriu postari TLTBR (too long to be read) pina nu-mi (re)gasesc Like-urile. :-D
2. Si oricum, "utilitatea" sapaturilor in directii d-astea-mi pare nula, opinia majoritatii fiind ca ultimele noutati demne de atentie despre nazisti au fost spuse de Haralamb Zinca-n anii '70. :lol:

La modul serios acum, Die Glocke-i doar o piesa (importanta ce-i drept - v. hiperclasificarea lui "Kriegsentscheidend") dintr-un puzzle care cuprinde nu doar Vril/Haunebu-urile, ci si binecunoscuta (mai ales de catre pilotii aliati) Charite Anlage de linga Frankfurt/Main - aia care "taia motoarele" avioanelor p-o raza (emisferica sa zicem) de cca. 12 km. Ce anume trebuia musai protejat in zona respectiva, n-o sa aflam probabil niciodata.

Despre ing. gen. Kammler (paper-clipat si el clar in USA) si conexiunile lui cu The Kecksburg Incident (1965) mai vorbiram noi p-aici; interesant e ca "sifonatorul" principal a fost un furnizor de placi ceramice superrezistente catre Pentagonul vremurilor respective - some Bell ringing here?  :wink:

Deductii mai noi au mai aparut si-n sensul dovezilor circumstantiale ca cel putin 2 "clopotzele" au fost evacuat-n aprilie 1945 - nu doar spre America de Sud, ci si spre Africa la fel de sudica (Rhodesia probabil) - si la fel de vecina cu Antarctica. Doar o alta coincidentza, nu-i asa? 8-)
Si ca studiile vortexurilor eterice au fost continuate in... Turcia bine-mersi de mai multi savanti ex-nazisti (inclusiv Ida & Walter Noddack) timp de decenii dupa sfirsitul WW-II.
E vorba deci de un paienjenis global, din care nici Rusia nu lipseste (inutil sa reamintesc paper-cliparile sovietice).

In fine, mai repet doar ca polonezul Igor Witkowski ramine cea mai informata sursa pe tema asta - goagal it please - fiindca ultima locatie 100% certa a "clopotului" nazist a fost la granitza germano-poloneza si doar nenea asta a avut rabdarea sa puna cap la cap niste fire - nu toate, da' destule.

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  Printr-o anumita parte a lumii de ceva timp - cca 6 luni dar s-ar putea sa ma insel - apar articole diverse pe tema WW-II , in special despre si cu nazi. In legatura cu tema de aici, un articol din 10 iunie 2014
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2653919/Did-Americans-fake-Nazis-WWII-suicide-spirit-away-US-hands-Hitlers-secret-weapons-programme.html

The blood of thousands on his hands, SS General Hans Kammler killed himself in 1945 in the dying days of Hitler's Germany.
That, at least, was his official fate. The man steeped in the horrors of the death camps had met his just deserts.
However, it is now claimed that Kammler survived the war, spirited away to America and given a new identity by the US authorities.


L.E. http://fairfieldproject.wikidot.com/hans-kammler 

        http://thewebfairy.com/911/missilegate/rfz/swaz/chapter6.htm

P.S. ce naiba e Ubbo-Sathla ca nu am inteles  :?

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O discutie interesanta peste care am dat din intamplare

http://sciencefocus.com/forum/die-glocke-the-bell-t549.html

Din ce inteleg ca spune unul din participanti (pare destul de documentat), "Die Glocke-Clopotul" ar fi fost de fapt un fel de dispozitiv Tokamak, sau ceva de genu (eu nu ma prea pricep la astea).

Nemtii ar fi incercat cu el sa produca uraniu imbogatit (sau chiar plutoniu), puneau niste toriu inauntru, mai erau cilindrii cu mercur, beriliu etc, ii roteau, aparea si plasma etc si se iradia toriu (care se gasea intr-o parafina de pe peretii interiori), care se transmuta in uraniu in cele din urma (era lasat sa decada natural si in nu stiu cate zile se transforma in uraniu imbogatit).
"Clopotul" era acoperit ermetic cu bucati groase de ceramica speciala pentru a preveni iradierea celor din jur, dar la inceput se pare ca au fost victime ale iradierii, si apoi pentru a preveni asta dar si incalzirea excesiva si explozia il lasau sa mearga doar perioade foarte scurte de timp.

Cel putin asa inteleg eu din ce spune omul ala (il mai contrazic unii pe acolo, ba chiar admin-ului pare ca nu-i convine discutia la un moment dat).
Insa treaba cu OZN-ul de la Kecksburg din SUA, a carui descriere (avea forma unei ghinde) seamana extrem de mult cu "clopotu" german ma face sa ma intreb daca nu cumva e vorba de acelasi "dispozitiv" sa-i zic asa (ajuns dupa razboi in SUA, odata cu o gramada de patente, proiecte si savanti nazisti), si ca ar fi vorba de ceva mai mult (sau ceva diferit) decat de producerea de uraniu imbogatit (poate un dispozitiv de propulsie)

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  P.S. 2 .  :-D
     Cate ceva poate nou :
https://sites.google.com/site/nazibelluncovered/
    in care se face o trecere in revista a stiintei de dinainte de clopot si a celei de dupa prin proiectele ce au fost derulate - cel putin alea cunoscute : Charite-Anlage,  Thor, Kronos - cu referinta la Saturn si nu la timp , in care era vb de to spin polarisation plasma physics-
polarizarea spinului in fizica plasmei adica polarizarea rotatiei.
    Lectura placuta!

  Cred ca ar merita revazut filmul Contact facut in 1997  :-D unde apare un dispozitiv al carui suport aduce mult cu ceea ce a ramas in Polonia parca in urma clopotului .


Incepand cu minutul 16,20 pana la minutul 21 cand dispozitivul e distrus de catre un fanatic - printre altele iata de ce sustin ca anumite proiecte trebuie sa ramana secrete marelui public  :evil:  . Secventa de mai sus este in partea a doua a filmului .
De vazut apoi la minutul 25. Interesant si la minutul 27 cu capsulele de sinucidere date astronautilor inca de la primele lansari  :-o - bineinteles, e doar film insa cred ca acum il privesc cu alti ochi .
Incepand cu minutul 31 procedura de lansare iar in interiorul modului este si un scaun - aparent fara functii speciale

  Filmul poate fi vazut aici http://www.topvideohd.com/2013/09/contact-1997-online-subtitrat-romana.html

[Xanadron]

Ei, taman in zona asta - a vortexurilor eterice rotative :star: - ar fi trebuit sa se agite colegul @Dharanis, al carui tsunami de linkuri intru convingerea noastra ca Terra-i plata cuprinde si date realmente interesante despre teoriile + experimentele lui Maxwell, Tesla, Dayton Miller, Kozirev, DePalma etc - toti, in contradictie cu Einstein & relativitatea lui fantezista, impusa fara dubii "politic" stiintei vestice mainstream.

Spre deosebire de multi savanti (fizicieni mai precis) sovietici/ rusi, care nici macar viteza luminii n-o (mai) considerau constanta cu mult inainte sa probeze arme scalare prin Siberia cot la cot cu ex-nazistii, jucindu-se cu cimpuri de torsiune - si dextro-, si levogire (spinu' bozonilor sa traiasca).
Clar insa ca nici fizicienii vestici care lucra pe orbite cu caposii aia gri sau verzi :-) nu pun botu' la abureala einsteiniana - pur SF-speculativa in  umila mea parere.
Niciunul din cei citati n-a fost si nu-i insa adeptul viziunii unui Pamint cu platfus - cel mult partizanii teoriei (credibile zic io) a gravitatiei ca efect de... compresiune a energiei ubicue a vortexurilor eterice.

N-am totusi de gind sa deschid cutia asta... rotativa :lol: a Pandorei, netu' fiind full de informatii demne de supus liberului arbitru logic al oricui.
Am incercat doar sa subliniez ideea aburelilor inclusiv "stiintifice" impuse Turmei prin mecanismele finantarii doar a cercetatorilor docili/conformisti - culmea ca de catre niste sforari cu un IQ mult sub nivelul vicleniei lor lipsite de orice scrupule.
Cinism transmis probabil genetic - ba chiar "injectat" cumva prin conditionari obscure, la fel cum se zvoneste c-ar fi modelati supra-uber-soldatii de pe aceleasi orbite (nu doar din Sistemul Solar si nici macar... numai din Soare, 8-) inclin sa cred in ultima vreme.)

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  Poate ceva nou pentru unii , toata seria de 6  episoade din care il atasez numai pe primul ca indiciu  :lol:
Nazi Discs (1 of 6)

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Hans Kammler a fost liftat de americani in cadrul operatiei Paperclip.
Die Glocke a fost un reactor pentru producerea materialului fisionabil folosind o alta cale decat cea folosita de americani pentru obtinerea de uraniu imbogatit. Probabil incercau sa obtina un compus fisionabil pe baza de Thoriu folsind un mecanism centrifugal, de aia foloseau si peroxizi de Thoriu.
Structura de beton armat din Polonia nu este altceva decat baza scheletului unui turn de racire folosit evident la racirea unei instalatii care se afla la vremea respectiva intr-una din galeriile de mina sapate acolo, dovada si ramasitele tevilor care convergeau spre acea locatie.
Este o iluzie sa crezi ca nazistii nu lucrau de zor la producerea unei arme care are la baza principiul fisiunii. Insa americanii au castigat cursa, de aia mestecam azi chewing-gum si nu cantam "Deutchland uber alles". Inca.  :evil:

[Xanadron]

Eu ramin la convingerea ca proiectul Manhattan n-ar fi fost dus la capat "in timp util" fara contributia savantilor nazisti paperclipati de 'merigani inca din primavara lui '45. Si zic asta nu doar fiindca am incercat sa pun cap-coada TOATE (putinele) surse serioase disponibile (inclusiv germanofone), ci si avind ocazia sa stau cam mult :wink: de vorba-n 1981 :-o cu o nepoata a lui... Niels Bohr (tipa era inca-n Romanica p-atunci). Si asta a fost poate un motiv sa devin "conspirationist la 25 de ani".

Ma credeti sau nu, mi-e egal - asa am aflat insa de-atunci (O, tempora! - cind majoritatea RUFOnautilor nici nu erau nascuti) unele povesti "la prima mana" - ajunse acum, la 33 de ani distantza, deformate allover pe ametitul net. Ex.: cauzele REALE ale relatiilor "racite" cu eminentul lui student lui SS-ist Heisenberg - http://www.aip.org/history/heisenberg/bohr-heisenberg-meeting.htm - , transferul lui aerian in UK fara oxigen la 10.000 m altitudine in cala unui bombardier Mosquito la finele caruia a fost la un pas sa dea coltzu'-n stop cardio-respirator, dar si alte chestii... si mai interesante. 8-)

N-are rost sa mai revin asupra viziunii personale doar aparent paradoxale asupra WW-II (rezbel eugenic pornit de nemti nu neaparat cu scopul de-a fi castigat !) si restul de "aiureli" expuse p-aici, de la avansul clar al atomistilor germani (v. A-bomb-testele nemtesti din Marea Baltica ori mini-nuke-urile utilizate pe Frontul de Est) si pina la f. probabilul acord postbelic al Aliatilor cu Martin Bormann, ale carui consecintze se simt pina-n zilele noastre. Plus expeditia amiralului Byrd versus Neuschwabenland, plus... plus...

P.S. La fel de convins am ramas (mai tirziu insa) si ca Die Glocke n-a fost nici pe departe "doar" un proiect... fisionabil, ci (ma autocitez dintr-o sfinta lene):

"La modul serios acum, Die Glocke-i doar o piesa (importanta ce-i drept - v. hiperclasificarea lui "Kriegsentscheidend") dintr-un puzzle care cuprinde nu doar Vril/Haunebu-urile, ci si binecunoscuta (mai ales de catre pilotii aliati) Charite Anlage de linga Frankfurt/Main - aia care "taia motoarele" avioanelor p-o raza (emisferica sa zicem) de cca. 12 km. Ce anume trebuia musai protejat in zona respectiva, n-o sa aflam probabil niciodata.
Despre ing. gen. Kammler (paper-clipat si el clar in USA) si conexiunile lui cu The Kecksburg Incident (1965) mai vorbiram noi p-aici; interesant e ca "sifonatorul" principal a fost un furnizor de placi ceramice superrezistente catre Pentagonul vremurilor respective - some Bell ringing here?  :wink:

Deductii mai noi au mai aparut si-n sensul dovezilor circumstantiale ca cel putin 2 "clopotzele" au fost evacuat-n aprilie 1945 - nu doar spre America de Sud, ci si spre Africa la fel de sudica (Rhodesia probabil) - si la fel de vecina cu Antarctica. Doar o alta coincidentza, nu-i asa? 8-)
Si ca studiile vortexurilor eterice au fost continuate in... Turcia bine-mersi de mai multi savanti ex-nazisti (inclusiv Ida & Walter Noddack) timp de decenii dupa sfirsitul WW-II.
E vorba deci de un paienjenis global, din care nici Rusia nu lipseste (inutil sa reamintesc paper-cliparile sovietice)."

[Xanadron]

(1) Hans Kammler a fost liftat de americani in cadrul operatiei Paperclip.
(2) Die Glocke a fost un reactor pentru producerea materialului fisionabil folosind o alta cale decat cea folosita de americani pentru obtinerea de uraniu imbogatit. Probabil incercau sa obtina un compus fisionabil pe baza de Thoriu folsind un mecanism centrifugal, de aia foloseau si peroxizi de Thoriu.
(3) Structura de beton armat din Polonia nu este altceva decat baza scheletului unui turn de racire folosit evident la racirea unei instalatii care se afla la vremea respectiva intr-una din galeriile de mina sapate acolo, dovada si ramasitele tevilor care convergeau spre acea locatie.
(4) Este o iluzie sa crezi ca nazistii nu lucrau de zor la producerea unei arme care are la baza principiul fisiunii. Insa americanii au castigat cursa, de aia mestecam azi chewing-gum si nu cantam "Deutchland uber alles". Inca.  :evil:

Revin un pic for the sake of clarity, desi-s constient ca stereotipurile istoriei "oficiale" sint greu, daca nu imposibil de evaporat din mintzile majoritatii:

1. Singura afirmatie dovedibila, chiar daca numai circumstantial.
2. Nici vorba (doar parerea mea si asta... si bineinteles greu dovedibila)
3. La fel de gresit (a se citi cu atentie Igor Witkowski  - cu dovezi insa)
4. Nu doar "lucrau" - chiar finalizau.

N-am acu' timp, da-s tentat sa deschid un topic (ca merita) si pe tema etimologiei M.M.C.S. = mai-mult-ca-sigur  :-D (geto)-DACICE a DeutSch-land-ului  + Dutch-ului, aflind de curind dintr-o sursa nemteasca un zvon despre parerea cam... ofticos-invidioasa :lol: a lui Hitler & Co. despre natia romaneasca si originile ei... ariene.
Se pare insa ca psihoticul Fuhrer se consola cu ideea c-am fi fost "impurificati masiv" de-a lungul timpului cu alte genomuri migratorii si-n final ne includea in categoria "semi-ariana", ba chiar semi-gitana. 
Cit adevar o fi (sau nu?) inclus in asta, ramine de carcotit... masiv. :lol:

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...
1. Singura afirmatie dovedibila, chiar daca numai circumstantial.
2. Nici vorba (doar parerea mea si asta... si bineinteles greu dovedibila)
3. La fel de gresit (a se citi cu atentie Igor Witkowski  - cu dovezi insa)
4. Nu doar "lucrau" - chiar finalizau. ...

Pentru 1 2 si 3 intrucat nici unul din noi nu am vazut dracia asta eu zic ca nu ne certam, fiecare sa-si apere punctul de vedere.  :lol:

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Atat Harry Daghlian cat si Luis Slotin cei 2 atomisti care au fost iradiati urmare a unor erori de manipulare a materialului au raportat, inainte sa moara, gust metalic ca urmare a expunerii la emisie neutronica. A nu se confunda cu emisia neutrinica! Aceleasi simptome se zice le-ar fi avut si germanii sau lab-rats care lucrau la die Glocke. Cert este ca suspectez in cazul die Glocke o puternia emisie neutronica, fapt sustinut si de aparitia unei anume scintilatii (bluish glow).
Cred ca incercau cumva sa foloseasca o capcana electro-magnetica pentru separatia unor compusi finiti din peroxid, ceea ce si americanii au incercat dar nu cu Thoriu ci cu Uraniu, la fabrica din Oak Ridge Tenneesee. Dupa cum se stie acum, procedeul de difuzie gazoasa a avut mai mult succes, costurile de intretinere ale utilajelor folosite cu metoda de separatie electro-magnetica fiind astronomice.

A se vedea si : http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/08/16/the-third-cores-revenge/
Ma rog, parerea mea.  :wink:

[Xanadron]

Crede-ma ca doar cu JE-insumi ma mai cert citeodata, prietene tractobeam - caruia (din nou tre'sa ma crezi pur si simplu) n-am nici cea mai debila intentie sa-ti schimb convingerile.
Posibil sa gresesc, dar in ultima vreme (pacat ca intelepciunea ne viziteaza abia cind sintem aproape morti :-D) nu mai am niciun miligram de incredere-n site-urile cu "secret/cy" incluse-n titlu. Si mai ales in astea pritocite de o anume etnie "de-mai-sus-aleasa" cica. :wink:

Si oricum nu se poate face vreo conexiune intre existentza celui de-al treilea "core" american de plutoniu in aug. '45 si ce sustineam eu mai devreme apropo de avansul "taticilor" nemti in studiul, dar si aplicatiile practice ale fisiunii.
Prefer deci sa ramin consecvent ideilor (eventual prostesti) ca:
- A existat  o coniventza cel putin postbelica intre Aliati si nazisti
- Walter Gerlach era sincer cind declara (citat aproximativ): "Am fost si noi de nenumarate ori cruzi in rezbelul asta, dar, spre deosebire de voi, n-am vrut sa utilizam arme inuman de distrugatoare, desi le aveam pregatite."
- Explozii demonstratve ale primelor A-boambs ar fi fost de departe preferabile macelurilor ilogice de la Hiroshima/Nagasaki.

...Si uite cum iar am reusit sa fiu perfect offtopic, da-i bine poate sa vedem cum se naste din confruntarea aleatorie a unor declaratii/realitati ideea unui scenariu... ET-fantasmagoric :-) doar aparent:
intai un cadru cu niste Mari Blonzi-Verzulii urechindu-l pe Hitler cind ii implora sa-l lase 'reaku odata sa dea cu A-bombardeaua-n Londra si N.Y, urmat de alt cadru filmat peste Marea Baltoaca, unde niste Mici Grizulii :moon: il indeamna pe Roosevelt sa li-l "dea pe Radu" :star: 8-) japilor.
Indiferent de riscurile colaterale prin [presupusa] afectare a tramei spatio-temporale s.a.m.d., de care si nea' Gerlach stia M.M.C.S, da' nu voia sa fie luat de "glumetz" bun de Balaceanca.

[tractorbeam]

My final word on this matter:
The Nazi Bell was a spherical Tokamak plasma generator. The Nazis were using it for transmuting Thorium 232 to Uranium 233 (and possibly Uranium 238 to Plutonium 239) using photo fission. The Nazi Bell was a method which they got very serious about from May 1944 onwards when the bell was first spun up. It bypassed the difficulties of enriching natural Uranium.
Paperclip recruited Dr Kurt Debus a particularly nasty SS officer and electrical engineer who worked on the Bell project. He eventually worked for NASA on Saturn V launches for the Apollo Missions.
Because Debus denounced collegue and AEG electrical engineer Richard Cremer to the Gestapo, one of Cremer's friends, a senior scientist in the Nazi nuclear program Carl Ramsaur wrote a letter to the Gestapo seeking Cremer's release which survives in the Berlin Document Centre referencing the Bell project. Ramsauer talked of Projekt SS/1040 (also codenamed Charite Anlage by the SS Armaments Research Office or FEP) and how critical the project was to germany winning the war. Indeed Ramsaur suggested Cremer was uniquely vital as the only expert in his field.
Involved:
Carl Ramsaur
Walther Gerlach
Ronald Richter (exile in Argentina)
Otto Cerny (recruited by Paperclip)
Elisabeth Adler
Otto Ambros
Herman Oberth (recruited by Paperclip)

If you understand what the respective expertise of these individuals are then you can interpret what the actual project was for. Gerlach and Adler for example famously worked on the spin polarisation of atoms in 1925. Richter recreated the Nazi Bell project in Argentina for Peron from 1948-1952.

Originally the project was under the control of Heereswaffenamt as Projekt Thor, led by Gerlach whose role was procurement of enriched Uranium for the German A-bomb. Following the failed assasination attempt against Hitler on 20 July 1944 the SS took control of all nuclear projects on 22 July and at that point the project became Projekt SS/1040 Charite Anlage.

The Nazi Bell was nothing to do with UFOs, or anti-gravity except in the imaginations of impressionable people. It was however the most top secret arm of nazi nuclear research and as a result of secrecy or ignorance, many people have filled in the blanks with their imaginations.

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Cred ca eu am postat primul aici linkul cu ideea cum ca de fapt "Clopotul" ar fi fost un dispozitiv experimental de tip Tokamak folosit pentru a obtine uraniu imbogatit.
Nu imi pare o ipoteza nerealista, pare destul de solida, dar....

Revin la incidentul Kecksburg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kecksburg_UFO_incident

Incidentul a avut loc, asta e clar, iar autoritatile (NASA) se incurca in explicatii, unii declara ca era meteorit, altii satelit sovietic, altii ca sigur nu putea fi satelitul sovietic etc etc ceea ce lasa de inteles ca aveau ceva de ascuns, ceva ce nu au recunoscut clar nici azi (daca era satelitul ala sovietic nu cred ca ar fi avut probleme sa zica azi, in plus nu cred ca un satelit ce se prabusea ar fi avut traiectoria aia si ramanea intreg la contactul cu solul).

In acelasi timp s-ar fi putut recunoaste oficial azi, fara probleme, ca nemtii foloseau "Clopotul" pentru obtinerea de uraniu imbogatit, ceea ce iarasi nu s-a intamplat.

De asta cred si eu ca cel putin la fel de realista (desi poate mai putin dpdv al fizicii si istoriei  "oficiale") e si teoria ca ar fi fost un dispozitiv mai exotic ce putea fi folosit inclusiv la propulsia neconventionala sau cine stie ce alte chestii poate doar banuite sau chiar nebanuite