EU pregateste o lege ce va face ilegala negarea genocidelor...

[spooky]

In alte cuvinte, UE ne pregateste usor de '1984'... noua lege va putea trimite in inchisoare pe aceia care se pronunta impotriva faptului ca anumite genocide nu au existat... pe scurt... daca sustii ca Holocaustul nu a existat si defapt a fost altceva... risti trei ani de inchisoare. Daca te aputi sa zici ca 7/7 2005 (atentatul cu bomba de la londra) a fost o inscenare, risti sa faci inchisoare.... si multe altele... inclusiv rasismul si xenofobia vor fi condamnate cu inchisoare...

Usor, realizam, ca suntem din ce in ce mai aproape de un regim totalitar, dictatorial... in care dreptul la libera exprimare va fi ingradit. E scandalos...

In paralel, in SUA se pregateste o alta lege conform carei orice BLOG sau site de pe internet, cu tenta politica sau critici guvernul SUA, trebuie sa-ti declar blogul sau risti inchisore, daca site-ul depaseste 500 vizitatori pe an... e suficinet sa ai maxim 2 vizitatori pe zi si intri in inchisoare...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=APGGRTNIPZGWNQFIQMFSFF4AVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/2007/02/02/weu02.xml

EU plans far-reaching 'genocide denial' law

By Bruno Waterfield
Last Updated: 2:03am GMT 02/02/2007

People who question the official history of recent conflicts in Africa and the Balkans could be jailed for up to three years for "genocide denial", under proposed EU legislation.

Germany, current holder of the EU's rotating presidency, will table new legislation to outlaw "racism and xenophobia" this spring.
   
Bosnian Muslims fleeing Srebrenica in 1995, EU plans far-reaching 'genocide denial' law
Bosnian Muslims fleeing Srebrenica in 1995. Up to 8,000 were killed in the UN-designated 'safe area' when the town fell to Bosnian Serbs

Included in the draft EU directive are plans to outlaw Holocaust denial, creating an offence that does not exist in British law.

But the proposals, seen by The Daily Telegraph, go much further and would criminalise those who question the extent of war crimes that have taken place in the past 20 years.

The legislation will trigger a major row across Europe over free speech and academic freedom.

Deborah Lipstadt, the professor of Modern Jewish and Holocaust Studies at Emory University, Atlanta, believes the German proposals are misplaced. "I adhere to that pesky little thing called free speech and I am very concerned when governments restrict it," she said yesterday.
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"How will we determine precisely what is denial? Will history be decided by historians or in a courtroom?"

Berlin's draft EU directive extends the idea of Holocaust denial to the "gross minimisation of genocide out of racist and xenophobic motives", to include crimes dealt with by the International Criminal Court.

The ICC was set up in 2002 following international outcry about war crimes and alleged genocides in the former Yugoslavia and in Africa. It was felt that the courts in those countries were either unable or unwilling to ensure justice was done.

The draft text states: "Each member state shall take the measures necessary to ensure that the following intentional conduct is punishable: 'publicly condoning, denying or grossly trivialising of crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes as defined in'... the Statute of the ICC."

General Lewis MacKenzie, the former commander of UN peacekeepers in Bosnia, courted controversy two years ago by questioning the numbers killed at Srebrenica in 1995.

He took issue with the official definition of the massacre as genocide and highlighted "serious doubt" over the estimate of 8,000 Bosnian fatalities. "The math just doesn't support the scale of 8,000 killed," he wrote.

Balkans human rights activists have branded Gen MacKenzie an "outspoken Srebrenica genocide denier" and, if approved, the EU legislation could see similar comments investigated by the police or prosecuted in the courts after complaints from war crimes investigators or campaigners.

A German government spokesman said: "Whether a specific historic crime falls within these definitions would be decided by a court in each case."

If agreed by EU member states, the legislation is likely to declare open season for human rights activists and organisations seeking to establish a body of genocide denial law in Europe's courts.

European Commission officials insist that the legislation is necessary: "racism and xenophobia can manifest themselves in the form of genocide denial so that it is very important to take strong action".

But the legislation faces stiff opposition from academics who fear it would stifle debate over some of the biggest issues in contemporary international relations.

Prof Lipstadt has an international reputation for challenging Holocaust denial.

She was sued unsuccessfully for libel in 2000 by David Irving, the British historian, after exposing his misrepresentation of historical evidence and association with Right-wing extremists. But she does not believe denying the Holocaust or genocide should be a crime.

"The Holocaust has the dubious distinction of being the best documented genocide in history," she said.

"When you pass these kinds of laws it suggests to the uninformed bystander that you don't have the evidence to prove your case."

The professor is also worried by broad-brush definitions of genocide denial, particularly applied to recent conflicts that are still being researched and investigated.

Even without the threat of prosecution, there is concern that academics will try to avoid controversy by ignoring or even suppressing research that challenges genocide claims or numbers of those killed.

David Chandler, the professor of international relations at the University of Westminster's Centre for the Study of Democracy, fears that the draft law could inhibit his work.

"My work teaching and training researchers, and academic work more broadly, is focused upon encouraging critical thinking. Measures like this make academic debate and discussion more difficult," he said.

Prof Chandler also worries that the legislators will close down democratic debate on foreign policy. "Genocide claims and war crimes tribunals are highly political and are often linked to controversial Western military interventions. Should this be unquestioned? Is it right for judges to settle such arguments?" he asked.

Norman Stone, the professor of history at Turkey's Koç University, argues that any attempt to legislate against genocide denial is "quite absurd".

"I am dead against this kind of thing," he said. "We can not have EU or international legal bodies blundering in and telling us what we can and can not say."

[baaron]

Pai si ce te miri...cand vorbeam de Actul Patriotic, altii spuneau bancuri pe forum.
Asta e....Orwell ala a fost baiat destept...si sa nu ai nici un dubiu ca acolo o sa ajungem...

Citat Spooky
"Usor, realizam, ca suntem din ce in ce mai aproape de un regim totalitar, dictatorial... in care dreptul la libera exprimare va fi ingradit. E scandalos... "

Pai si nu ti se pare scandalos :-D :-D :-D sa imi interziceti mie dreptul la o exprimare libera si la jocul cuvintelor subliniate?

SAH MAT (glumesc desigur) :-D

[spooky]

nu m-am mirat... desi nu ma asteptam la aceasta lege anti-genocid-denial.

Nu ti-a interzis nimeni dreptul la libera exprimare pe acest forum.

Pe cand eram eu mic... altii ieseau in strada si faceau revolutii...

BANG! BANG!

[baaron]

Spooky

Pot sa critic un pic Guvernul USA..?..dar asa, mai corespunzator. :-D

[spooky]

ar fi bine sa nu te limitezi doar la el!

[spooky]

In Germania, Ernst Zuendel a fost condamnat la 5 ani de inchisoare pentru ca publicat lucrarile:
"Hitler pe care il iubim si de ce" si "Chiar au murit sase milioane [evrei]".

Germania, in urma preluarii presidentiei UE vrea sa introduca legea mai sus mentionata.

http://www.euronews.net/create_html.php?page=detail_info&article=406718&lng=1

[prosecco]

vad ca se axeaza pe vorba : "incet,incet......dar sigur"


si noi de ce stam cu mainile in san? :|

[Florin Croitoru]

În România legea e introdusã din 2005; prima a fost o hotãrîre de guvern din 2002. Pe forum poþi sã scrii cã pt asta nu se ia nimeni de tine (încã),dar dacã publici ceva  într-un ziar ai necazuri.Dacã mai publici ºi vreun studiu referitor la holocaust ,din care reiese altceva decît gazare,milioane de morþi evrei,se lasã cu tribunal ,amendã ,plus condamnare.
Pãi ce, credeaþi cã numai un big brother existã ?

[antoniu]

VAD CA SE VORBESTE CU TENTA DIVERSIONISTA  LA ADRESA HOLOCAUSTULUI....DACA AVETI DOCUMENTE SI FOTOGRAFII, SA LE POSTATI SI SA LE DISCUTAM ,NU ASA DUPA URECHE FARA PARTITURI....ca suna urat si se vede prost ...mizati ca generatia care a fost suprimata nu poate replica si cei mai in varsta nu au acces la internet sa vada prostiile pe care le postati?...

[Florin Croitoru]

d-le antoniu, eu am înþeles cã topicul nu este despre holocaust ci numai despre legea care interzice cercetarea ºi discuþiile publice referitor la holocaust; aceasta în caz cã cercetatrea sau discuþiile ar fi altfel decît linia oficialã.
Pt holocaust, cã a fost,cã nu a fost,cît a fost,unde a fost etc. eu zic cã trebuie discutat pe alt topic.
Personal consider cã aceastã lege este samavolnicã ºi a fost introdusã în Rom la presiunea SUA.

[sevastase]

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[romulus]

SE VORBESTE CU TENTA DIVERSIONISTA 

.....
-----Gata don'profesor ati si gasit "diversiunea" ....sigu r !!
-----Si cum ramane cu opinia&dialogul necenzurate - sa-si deie  omu' liber parerea?? V-au angajat  drept avocat ?
----Mai deuna'zi am vazut un tigan/bulibasa la tvr -u care z'cea "...ca shi ei e descremeneti sh'acuma mancatias, ca shi ei au fo' la hol ocaust ..."----Or fi fo', ca daca zic ca nu , ma baga la zdup ?!!  :? Misto ...mancatias

[sevastase]

EU pregateste o lege impotriva genocidelor.....hmm...cred ca asta e cel mai poignant oxymoron de anulasta pt mine. Lupul paznic la oi.

[Florin Croitoru]

.....
-----Gata don'profesor ati si gasit "diversiunea" ....sigu r !!
-----Si cum ramane cu opinia&dialogul necenzurate - sa-si deie  omu' liber parerea?? V-au angajat  drept avocat ?
----Mai deuna'zi am vazut un tigan/bulibasa la tvr -u care z'cea "...ca shi ei e descremeneti sh'acuma mancatias, ca shi ei au fo' la hol ocaust ..."----Or fi fo', ca daca zic ca nu , ma baga la zdup ?!!  :? Misto ...mancatias

Nu vã bagã la zdup gacã ziceþi de þigani.Nici dacã ziceþi de evrei în cercuri particulare sau pe un forum pe care pre puþini îl citesc.Dar dacã semnaþi un articol într-un ziar sau þineþi conferinþe publice ºi în acestea negaþi holocaustul evreilor aºa cum a fost el ultima oarã stabilit de Centrala Evreiascã din SUA (1,2 milioane) s-ar putea sã ajungeþi în tribunal.Cifra din urmã cu 20 de ani aveþi voie sã o afirmaþi (6 milioane), dar 30.000 de evrei morþi la Auschwitz (conf documentelor aflate în arhivele sovietice),nu aveþi voie.Nici sã întrebaþi public cum au dat nemþii gazul Cyclon pe þeavã cînd el era primit în butoaie etanºe în care era îmbibat în pastile de cretã sau fulgi de lemn.
Eu am vãzut acum 2 sãptãmîni un film mai vechi de propagandã german(poate 40 de ani vechime) dîn care cliºeele cu sãpunul din grãsime de om ºi abajururile din piele de om nu fusesãrã scoase.Este dovedit în urma testelor de laborator cã acele abajururi ºi sãpunul nu au fost din materie organicã umanã.

[Lone Ranger]

Acum falsificarea istoriei se legifereaza... Nu Holocaustul shi crimele de razboi sunt contestate & contestabile, ci amploarea lor. Iar exagerarea dimensiunilor Holocaustului foloseshte în mod evident anumitor cercuri de interese, care au puterea de a trage sfori în politica, majoritatea politicienilor de azi fiind marionetele lor.
Revoltator este ca de Gulag shi alte crime ale regimurilor comuniste nu vorbeshte mai nimeni. Cei care le neaga o duc fain-frumos & bine-mersi, în timp ce zecile, daca nu chiar sutele de milioane de victime ale comunismului sunt shi acum nerazbunate. Cui prodest? (^Intrebare retorica, recunosc)

Nu vã bagã la zdup gacã ziceþi de þigani.

Correction: nu înca!