OOPARTS - Out Of Place Artifacts

[pri3st3ss]

inca ceva

What is the true import of the long inscription in Brahmi characters engraved upon it? Who placed the later inscriptions on it, and when?

Readings of this six-line, three-stanza inscription in Sanskrit verse vary considerably, the one most often published being that by Fleet, who translated it in 1888. It speaks, in very poetic terms, of the powerful, all-conquering monarch who had the pillar made: "He on whose arm fame was inscribed by the sword, when in battle in the Vanga countries, he kneaded (and turned) back with (his) breast the enemies who, uniting together, came against him; ? he, by the breezes of whose prowess the southern ocean is even still perfumed." But, this eloquent panegyric apart, when it comes to identifying the king with clarity, and giving further details about the erection of the pillar, the inscription suddenly leaves some questions unanswered: obviously, not for those who lived in those early times, but for later generations, for whom so much information was lost in the centuries that have gone by.
Thus, the verse concludes with the words: "He who, having the name of Chandra, carried a beauty of countenance like (the beauty of) the full moon, having in faith fixed his mind upon (the God) Vishnu, (had) this lofty standard of the divine Vishnu set up on the hill (called) Vishnupada."

But who exactly was king Chandra remains a puzzle.

[antoniu]

dar harta lui Pirri Reiss ?

 Ma vad nevoit sa va readuc la stadiul de moderare pentru a evita o avalansa de mesaje abstracte. Pastrati-va mesajele la subiect si cu un continut concret si nu abstract, iar daca considerati ca ceva nu a fost prezentat il publicati si nu spuneti ca "puteati sa puneti si nu stiu ce imagine cu nu stiu ce chestie..." ... daca stiti despre asemenea imagini va rog sa le postati.

[pri3st3ss]

ce e cu harta?

ai un subiect despre aceasta harta si aici:

http://www.rufon.org/forum/index.php/topic,26.0.html

si aici:

http://www.rufon.org/forum/index.php/topic,1126.0.html

[Nox]

Cred cã vroia sã zicã faptul cã ºi harta poate fi consideratã un "out-of-place artifact", dar personal cred cã e cam forþat termenul de "artifact" pentru cã acesta (termenul) desemneazã un obiect.

[pri3st3ss]

Gold Thread in England, between 320 - 360 million years old.

On June 22, 1844, this curious report appeared in the London Times: "A few days ago, as some workmen were employed in quarrying a rock close to the Tweed about a quarter of a mile below Rutherford-mill, a gold thread was discovered embedded in the stone at a depth of eight feet."  Dr. A. W. Medd of the British Geological Survey wrote in 1985 that this stone is of Early Carboniferous age between 320 and 360 million years old.   Who dropped this gold thread in the ancient fern forests in a distant time when the most advanced life forms on the planet where amphibians and insects?




Gold Chain from Morrisonville, Illinois, 260 - 320 million years old.

On June 11, 1891, The Morrisonville Times reported: "A curious find was brought to light by Mrs. S. W. Culp last Tuesday morning.  As she was breaking a lump of coal preparatory to putting it in the scuttle, she discovered, as the lump fell apart, embedded in a circular shape a small gold chain about ten inches in length of antique and quaint workmanship.  At first Mrs. Culp thought the chain had been dropped accidentally in the coal, but as she undertook to lift the chain up, the idea of its having been recently dropped was at once made fallacious, for as the lump of coal broke it separated almost in the middle, and the circular position of the chain placed the two ends near to each other, and as the lump separated, the middle of the chain became loosened while each end remained fastened to the coal.  The lump of coal from which this chain was taken is supposed to come from the Taylorville or Pana mines (southern Illinois) and almost hushes one's breath with mystery when it is thought for how many long ages the earth has been forming strata after strata which hid the golden links from view.  The chain was an eight-carat gold and weighed eight penny-weights."  The Illinois State Geological Survey has said the coal in which the gold chain was found is 260 - 320 million years old.  This raises the possibility that culturally advanced human beings were present or visiting in North America during that time.  How did this gold chain find itself left behind in Earth's distant past more than a quarter of a billion years before humans had evolved?


Carved Stone near Webster, Iowa, 260 - 320 million years old.

The April 2,1897 edition of the Daily News of Omaha, Nebraska, carried an article titled "Carved Stone Buried in a Mine," which described an object from a mine near Webster City, Iowa.  The article stated: "While mining coal today in the Lehigh coal mine, at a depth of 130 feet, one of the miners came upon a piece of rock which puzzles him and he was unable to account for its presence at the bottom of the coal mine.  The stone is of a dark grey color and about two feet long, one foot wide and four inches in thickness.  Over the surface of the stone, which is very hard, lines are drawn at angles forming perfect diamonds.  The center of each diamond is a fairly good face of an old man having a peculiar indentation in the forehead that appears in each of the pictures, all of them being remarkably alike.  Of the faces, all but two are looking to the right.  Was this stone carved and left behind by a traveler from earth's future?




Block Wall in an Oklahoma Mine, at least 286 million years old.

W. W. McCormick of Abilene, Texas, reported his grandfather's account of a stone block wall that was found deep within a coal mine:  "In the year 1928, I, Atlas Almon Mathis, was working in coal mine No. 5., located two miles north of Heavener, Oklahoma.   This was a shaft mine, and they told us it was two miles deep.  The mine was so deep that they let us down into it on an elevator.... They pumped air down to us, it was so deep."  One evening, Mathis was blasting coal loose by explosives in "room 24" of this mine.  "The next morning," said Mathis, "there were several concrete blocks laying in the room.  These blocks were 12-inch cubes and were so smooth and polished on the outside that all six sides could serve as mirrors.  Yet they were full of gravel, because I chipped one of them open with my pick, and it was plain concrete inside."  Mathis added: "As I started to timber the room up, it caved in; and I barely escaped.  When I came back after the cave-in, a solid wall of these polished blocks was left exposed.  About 100 to 150 yards farther down our air core, another miner struck this same wall, or one very similar."  The coal in the mine was Carboniferous, which would mean the wall was at least 286 million years old.  According to Mathis, the mining company officers immediately pulled the men out of the mine and forbade them to speak about what they had seen.  Mathis said the Wilburton miners also told of finding "a solid block of silver in the shape of a barrel... with the prints of the staves on it," in an area of coal dating between 280 and 320 million years ago.  What advance civilization built this wall?... Why was the truth, as is so many of these cases protected and hidden?... What is the real truth about time travlers, modern humans, and modern technology in our past?


Hieroglyphics in Ohio Coal Mine, 260 million year old.

It is reported that James Parsons, and his two sons, exhumed a slate wall in a coal mine at Hammondville, Ohio, in 1868.  It was a large smooth wall, disclosed when a great mass of coal fell away from it, and on its surface, carved in bold relief, were several lines of hieroglyphics.   Who carved these hieroglyphics more than 250 years before humans walked the earth?


Nail in Devonian Sandstone, between 360 and 408 million years old.

In 1844, Sir David Brewster reported that a nail had been discovered firmly embedded in a block of sandstone from the Kingoodie (Mylnfield) Quarry in North Britain.  Dr. A. W. Medd of the British Geological Survey recently indicated that this sandstone is of "Lower Old Red Sandstone age" (Devonian, between 360 and 408 million years old).   In his report to the British Association for the Advancement of Science, Brewster stated: "The particular block in which the nail was found, was nine inches thick, and in proceeding to clear the rough rock for dressing, the point of the nail was found projecting about half an inch (quite eaten with rust) into the 'till,' the rest of the nail lying along the surface of the stone to within an inch of the head, which went right down into the body of the stone." The fact that the head of the nail was buried in the sandstone block would seem to rule out the possibility the nail had been pounded into the block after it was quarried.  This was a time where amphibians and insects were the only dominant life form on our planet.  So who dropped this nail to have it eventually preserved in rock at a time more than 350 million years before humans appeared?


Metallic Vase from Pre-Cambrian Rock, over 600 Million Years Old.

The following report, titled "A Relic of a Bygone Age," appeared in the magazine Scientific American (June 5, 1852):  "A few days ago a powerful blast was made in the rock at Meeting House Hill, in Dorchester, a few rods south of Rev. Mr. Hall's meeting house.  The blast threw out an immense mass of rock, some of the pieces weighing several tons, and scattered fragments in all directions.  Among them was picked a metallic vessel in two parts, rent asunder by the explosion.  On putting the parts together it formed a bell-shaped vessel, 4-1/2 inches high, 6-1/2 inches at the base, 2-1/2 inches at the top, and about an eighth of an inch in thickness.  The body of this vessel resembles zinc in color, or a composition metal, in which there is a considerable portion of silver.  On the side there are six figures of a flower, or bouquet, beautifully inlaid with pure silver, and around the lower part of the vessel a vine, or wreath, also inlaid with silver.  The chasing, carving, and inlaying are exquisitely done by the art of some cunning workman.  This curious and unknown vessel was blown out of the solid pudding stone, fifteen feet below the surface."   According to a recent U.S. Geological Survey map of the Boston-Dorchester area, the pudding stone, now called the Roxbury conglomerate, is of Precambrian age, over 600 million years old.  By standard accounts, life was just beginning to form on this planet during the Precambrian.  But in the Dorchester vessel we have evidence indicating the presence of artistic metal workers in North America over 600 million years before Leif Erikson.  At this time in our planets history the was no life on land, plant or animal.  The most advance life-form at this barren time in our planets history was simple algae floating in the seas.  Yet somehow through time this beautiful work or art was brought and left behind and eventually buried and preserved in ancient rock.  Did a time traveler from the earths future leave this behind in the hopes of later discovery... in an attempt to help ensure that the truth about time travel would one day be revealed? - im1

Copper Coin from Illinois, over 200,000 years old

This rendition of a coin-like object, from a well boring near Lawn Ridge, Illinois, was found at a depth of about 114 feet below the surface.  According to the information supplied by the Illinois State Geological Survey, the deposits containing the coin are between 200,000 and 400,000 years old... who left this coin hundreds of thousands of years before civilized man evolved? - im 2

Figurines from Nampa, Idaho, about 2 million years old
A small human image, skillfully formed in clay, was found in 1889 at Nampa, Idaho.   The figurine came from the the 300-foot level of a well boring and dated to be of the Plio-Pleistocene age, about 2 million years old.  G. F. Wright noted, "The image is about an inch and a half long; and remarkable for the perfection with which it represents the human form... It was a female figure, and had the lifelike lineaments in the parts which were finished that would do credit to the classic centers of art.   Upon showing the object to Professor F. W. Putnam," wrote Wright, "he at once directed attention to the character of the incrustations of iron upon the surface as indicative of a relic of considerable antiquity.  There were patches of anhydrous red oxide of iron in protected places upon it, such as could not have been formed upon any fraudulent object."  Humans had not even evolved on this planet two million years ago.  So who created or left this artifact in earth's distant past? - im 3








surse : http://www.virtuescience.com
                      http://www.pureinsight.org

[pri3st3ss]

Willendorf Venus Statue, over 30,000 years old
The Willendorf Venus, from Europe, dated at 30,000 years old.  Who created or left this artifact nearly 20,000 years before human civilization appeared?- im 1


Modern Human Skull found in Italy, over 3 - 4 million years old.

Late in the summer of 1860, Professor Giuseppe Ragazzoni, a geologist and teacher at the Technical Institute of Brescia, traveled to the nearby locale of Castenedolo, about 10 kilometers southeast of Brescia, to gather fossil shells in the Pliocene strata exposed in a pit at the base of a low hill, the Colle de Vento.  Here he discovered this remarkable and anatomically modern human skull.  The stratum from which it was taken is assigned to the Astian stage of the Pliocene.  According to modern authorities, the Astian belongs to the Middle Pliocene, which would give the skull an age of 3 - 4 million years.  Why and how did this modern human visit Italy nearly two million years before human beings walked the planet?
- im 2


Footprints
some other discoveries trace the origins of modern man back to 1.7 million years ago. One of these important finds is the footprints found in Laetoli, Tanzania, by Mary Leakey in 1977. These footprints were found in a layer that was calculated to be 3.6 million years old, and more importantly, they were no different from the footprints that a contemporary man would leave. The footprints found by Mary Leakey were later examined by a number of famous paleoanthropologists, such as Donald Johanson and Tim White. The results were the same. White wrote:

Make no mistake about it,... They are like modern human footprints. If one were left in the sand of a California beach today, and a four-year old were asked what it was, he would instantly say that somebody had walked there. He wouldn't be able to tell it from a hundred other prints on the beach, nor would you - im3

Shoe Sole from Nevada, dated at 213 - 248 million years ago.
On October 8, 1922, the American Weekly section of the New York Sunday American ran a prominent feature titled "Mystery of the Petrified 'Shoe Sole,' by Dr. W. H. Ballou.   Ballou wrote: "Some time ago, while he was prospecting for fossils in Nevada, John T. Reid, a distinguished mining engineer and geologist, stopped suddenly and looked down in utter bewilderment and amazement at a rock near his feet.  For there, a part of the rock itself, was what seemed to be a human footprint!  Closer inspection showed that it was not a mark of a naked foot, but was, apparently, a shoe sole which had been turned into stone.  The forepart was missing.  But there was the outline of at least two-thirds of it, and around this outline ran a well-defined sewn thread which had, it appeared, attached the welt to the sole.  Further on was another line of sewing, and in the center, where the foot would have rested had the object really been a shoe sole, there was an indentation, exactly such as would have been made by the bone of the heel rubbing upon and wearing down the material of which the sole had been made.   Reid got hold of a microphotographer and an analytical chemist of the Rockefeller Institute, who made photos and analyses of the specimen.  The analyses removed any doubt of the shoe sole having been subjected to Triassic fossilization.... The microphoto magnifications are twenty times larger than the specimen itself, showing the minutest detail of thread twist and warp, proving conclusively that the shoe sole is not a resemblance, but is strictly the handiwork of man.  Even to the naked eye the threads can be seen distinctly, along with the definitely symmetrical outlines of the shoe sole.   Inside this rim and running parallel to it is a line which appears to be regularly perforated as if for stitches.  The Triassic rock bearing the fossil shoe sole is now recognized as being dated at 213 - 248 million years old.  An obviously modern shoe, complete with stitching, and etched in time in ancient Triassic rock.   What modern visitor was walking in our distant past more than 210 million years ago before the age of the dinosaurs?
- im 4

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Figurines from Nampa, Idaho, about 2 million years old
A small human image, skillfully formed in clay, was found in 1889 at Nampa, Idaho.   The figurine came from the the 300-foot level of a well boring and dated to be of the Plio-Pleistocene age, about 2 million years old.  G. F. Wright noted, "The image is about an inch and a half long; and remarkable for the perfection with which it represents the human form... It was a female figure, and had the lifelike lineaments in the parts which were finished that would do credit to the classic centers of art.   Upon showing the object to Professor F. W. Putnam," wrote Wright, "he at once directed attention to the character of the incrustations of iron upon the surface as indicative of a relic of considerable antiquity.  There were patches of anhydrous red oxide of iron in protected places upon it, such as could not have been formed upon any fraudulent object."  Humans had not even evolved on this planet two million years ago.  So who created or left this artifact in earth's distant past? - im 3

  impotriva acestei afirmatii/descoperiri, s-au adunat mai mult probe,va ofer doar una:
" Image Could Be Made to Appear Old
If the Nampa Image were not really old, how could one account for its ancient appearance? After the image was shipped to Ohio to be examined by G. Frederick Wright, it was given to Albert Allen Wright, professor of natural history at Oberlin for careful examination. Also, it was given to F. F. Jewett, professor of chemistry. Wright also recorded their opinions. Over eight full pages of Albert Allen Wright's report are included in Wright's paper (Wright, 1890, pp. 439-447). It is only possible to summarize A. A. Wright's conclusions briefly:

-The 1½ " image is that of a female. It is not the work of a child or mere novice. If the short leg was ever of equal length with the other, it was broken and rounded before it came up from the well.
-The image was molded out of a plastic, gritty clay, and afterwards burned in a fire.
-The unaided eye distinguishes two elements in the material-a powdery material too fine to be called sand and yet not so fine as the elements of porcelain clay, and grains of quartz and possibly of other minerals, scattered at random through the finer substance. The image was so friable that it was not possible to make a thin section.
-The source of the material for the image fit the clay balls brought up from the well shortly before the image was found. The clay balls were found to be concretions with interiors nearly white with very fine-grained material displaying concentric rusty rings while the exterior contained the coarse quartz grains.
-When the clay was subjected to the heat of a Bunsen gas burner, the oxidizing portion turned red while the remaining portion was gray due to a lack of oxygen at the time of burning. This agreed with the different shades of color observable upon the image's surface.
-Albert Allen Wright then tried to duplicate the image using a clay ball that had been brought back from the Idaho well site.It`a said To Be An Admitted Hoax "
 

sursa: http://www.creationhistory.com

[pri3st3ss]

desenul de pe zid a fost gasit intr-o pestera in Utah ...are doar cateva sute de ani vechime...
acum priviti desenul de pe piatra gasita in Toro Meurto,veche de mii de ani .

[pri3st3ss]

aceste statuete au fost gasite in irak. au o vechime de 5000-4500 ani in prezent se afla in custodia british museum. - im 1

artefacte incase- im 2



pietroglifa descoperira in Querato, Mexico in anul 1966,cu o vechime estimata de 7000 ani vechime putem observa 4 siluete deasupra carora pluteste un obiect oval, mare, din care ies raze - im 3



pietroglife vechi de mii de ani,gasite in sud-vestul americii .potrivit folclorului indienilor , doua obiecte s-au ciocnit in aer si unul din ele s-a prabusit intr-o regiune numita Death Valley. alte persoane au venit ( ? )si au petrecut ceva vreme reparand nava prabusita - im 4

[pri3st3ss]

Trepanation in the Indus Valley culture:

The skull on the right was found in a Harrapan setting,  circa 4,000 B.C. The trepanated skull was first noticed by Allchin and Allchin (1968) .The skull shows unambiguous evidence of multiple trepanation. In all, 11 attempts at trepanation are evident on the cranium. Barring a minor depression on the top of the right parietal (no. 11 in Figure 1), all attempts are on the left parietal bone. Depending on the nature and depth of the depressions and holes, we have distinguished at least four successive attempts or stages/sittings in the trepanation of this cranium. There are six completed perforations (nos. 1 to 6) which represent the final stage of trepanation. All holes are nearly circular or oval in outline, ranging in maximum diameter from 5 to 14 mm. Trepanation was probably begun at the pastero-inferior (no. 7) end of the left parietal and at the top of the right parietal (no.11). These depressions are very shallow and elongated where only the outer table of the bone has been removed, probably for the initial treatment of the patient. Then trepanation was attempted (probably in a second sitting) at sites nos. 9 and 10 where the depressions are deeper with the outer table of the bone removed into the diploic space, leaving the inner table intact. The next attempt was made at site no. 8 where a much deeper depression was created yet a hole was probably not intended since another minor stroke here would clearly punctured the skull. In the final attempt at actual trepanation, six holes were made, apparently in a triangular fashion, three on the inferior and three on the superior parietal region.

[liteady73]

 Salut Forumiste si Forumisti !...

Expun mai jos - dupa cum deja v-ati obisnuit si pe alte topicuri pe care am postat  :-) -, un documentar despre istoria si preistoria omenirii, prezentandu-se descoperiri care nu isi au locul in contextul istoriei oficiale, in speta OOPARTS (Out Of Place Artifacts).

Documentarul ("Mysterious Origins of Man", produs in 1996) e de factura de a populariza acest aspect misteros al istoriei si este prezentat de actorul Charlton Heston.

Partea 1-a:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opX5s57MKIk&feature=related

Partea a 2-a:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlaXHi3yPwQ&feature=related

Partea a 3-a:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TgBdDMKsgU&feature=related

Partea a 4-a:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w53BLnN0REg&feature=related

Partea a 5-a:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6CVHCb5AS8&feature=related

[cactus]

uite inca un artefact interesant...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090513/ap_on_sc/eu_germany_oldest_sculpture

si dovezile unor civilizatii antediluviene se tot aduna...

[lylyt_ice]

da interesant...dupa cum se vede inmultirea oamenilor era atat de interesanta, cum este pentru noi inmultirea puilor de la combinat... :-D SAAAAU...a porcinelor de la porcarie.....SCROAFE DE RASA; cu un anumit til (SCOP)!!!

[maiami]

in mai multe situatii au fost descoperite artefacte misterioase
asta arata ca oamenii din trecut erau mult mai destepti decat credem noi acum ori ca am fost vizitati de civilizatii avansate

[Xanadron]

Recenta stire despre ciudata mumie descoperita in Peru (a cita oare cu morfologia asta craniana?! :roll:) cred ca merge mai bine pe topicul asta decit la "stiri interesante".

http://guanabee.com/2011/11/freaky-non-human-mummy-found-peru-pictures/

Inca indecis apropo de un verdict, personal astept noi detalii - asteptare a unor confirmari ADN-istice mai ales, ce poate dura insa ani intregi (v. cazul "Starchild Skull"). :-)

(Later edit): Pe alt site se sustine ca 4 din 5 savanti/medici/antropologi etc. sustin c-ar fi vorba de mumia unui extraterestru. :martiansmile:

http://io9.com/5860732/triangle+headed-alien-mummy-discovered-in-peru-++-were-not-alone