Decembrie 1989 (pentru cunoscatori)

[baaron]

My dear friend

Dan Iosif....revolutionarul lui peste "care face ce vrea muschii lui in Parlament" nu e decat un alcoolic si atata tot.
Postul pe care il detine, il are probabil pentru ca a capatat certificatul de revolutionar si s-a aflat la momentul potrivit in gasca potrivita, atat si nimic mai mult (vezi lista revolutionarilor de pe forum)

Cat despre Mugur Isarescu, ei bine, asta e mai periculos decat tot Parlamentul luat la un loc...

Indicii:
1.Este singura persoana care a rezistat pe o functie inalta dinainte de 89 si pana in prezent si retine ca in timpul asta am schimbat ceva presedinti (nu degeaba e pus acolo de catre cineva anume)

2.La un moment dat postasem pe forum o lista europeana cu masonii mai importanti din toata tarile Europei (singurul reprezentant roman pe lista aia era Mugur Isarescu)...nu stiu daca mai e pe forum...daca nu, o sa o caut si o postez din nou

3.Despre Petre Roman cred ca nu are rost sa mai explic ce si cum cand stie toata lumea cine e si de unde provine.

4.Mugur Isarescu, este intradevar un profesionist al finantelor asa cum bine precizezi, insa asta si este motivul pentru care a fost pus acolo.(sa nu crezi ca Masonii sunt o gasca de alde' Gigi Becali)
Statuie ar merita toti cei calcati de tancuri in Decembrie si nu Isarescu ca si-a facut treaba pentru care era si este platit.

5.Despre Gelu Voican (ala care le-a bagat teava in gura Ceausestilor) se stie public ca este francmason si de aici mai departe no comment.

Si nu in ultimul rand o intrebare intrebatoare: ai fost pe langa baricada in seara aia la Inter??

[DepthOfField]

Baaron a spus:

Americanii si Rusii  au organizat o lovitura de stat impotriva conducerii de la Teheran. Rusii din statia spatiala sovietica-rusa  MIR au dirijat avionul cu militari americani si tehnica militara care trebuia sa devina centrul de comanda in apropierea capitalei Iraniene, Teheran. Avionul  aterizat cu bine. La scurt timp 6 elicoptere americane burdusite cu militari americani, au pornit spre Iran. Locatia avionul deja aterizat. Elicopterele americane dirijate de Rusi de pe statia spatiala MIR, se deplaseaza in timpul unei furtuni de nisip pentru a nu fi detectate de radarele armatei Iraniene. La aterizarea elicopeterelor in apropierea avionului, un elicopter loveste avionul si amandoua navele explodeaza si i-au foc.

Baaron, ai postat un articol maaare, despre revolutie si increngatura situatiei, cine ce a facut in colaborare cu cine cum si de ce.
Sincer, nu ma pricep, nu stiu, detaliile sunt prea complexe, trebuie muult timp ca sa intelegi si sa pricepi intre atatea personaje, legaturi, momente de timp etc.
Dar stau sa ma intreb in legatura cu ceea ce spui cu statia MIR si coordonarea unor avioane si elicoptere.... e cam trasa tare de par..
Pai statia MIR se invartea (ca acum nu mai este) ca si statia spatiala internationala, cu o viteza mare, poate peste 20000 km/ora, adica inconjurul Pamantului in vreo ora-doua sau nici atat..ceea ce inseamna ca deasupa unui loc oarecare de pe Pamant nu putea fi vizibila si actiona decat cateva minute. Cum adica "a coordonat"? Cum? Miroase a povestile Sherezadei acest aspect.
Adica pari bine informat si ti-ai dedicat timp, dar poate ca si unele informatii ce le preiei si le redai sunt cam "difuze" sa le zic asa... Nu dau si chiar nu pot sa dau alte exemple, dar acesta ce l-am descris m-a "lovit"..parca era dintr-un film de actiune SF de speta a N-a...

[baaron]

Ciuciulete

Tot ce este posibil sa fie o informatie alterata mai mult sau mai putin...sincer, inca nu am acces la informatii "pure"...
Insa ai absolut perfecta dreptate cand te referi la statia spatiala....intradevar, numai cateva minute poate vizualiza o pozitie, insa nu cred ca asta poate prilejui o problema...exista operatiuni militare coordonate la secunda si 5 sau 10 minute sunt mai mult decat necesare pentru indeplinirea misiunilor (nu este cazul armatei romane careia ii trebuie 3 ore sa vina cu sufertasul pe campul de exercitii...asta da) insa americanii si rusii dispun de tehnica avansata asa cum stim cu totii.
De multe ori viata bate filmul....

[DepthOfField]

Chiar nu vad rolul MIR in coordonarea aia.. ce faceau? Se uitau cu telecopul de super-rezolutie optica (deci oglinda/lentila de diametru mare), ca sa poti vedea CEVA util, din "zbor" ca sa vada ce? o furtuna de nisip? Aaa, se uitau cumva in infrarosu...pai, la fel, trebuie o lentila de diametru mare. Plus sa nu fie nori sau alte perturbatii. Plus mecanism de urmarire automat a locatiei. Nu ca nu ar fi posibil..dar cam greu pentru acel MIR totusi destul fragil si oarecum improvizat. Si ce faceau? poze? Discutau pe marginea pozei? Cand, in cele 5 minute? Sau cum coordonau? E vreun militar strateg pe-aici sau talentat in acest sens sa ne spuna cum s-ar putea? Nu era mai usoara utilizarea GPS pentru localizare? si altele? Deci, miroase doar a scenarita aspectul pe care il sesizez. Adevarat, americanii si rusii dispun de tehnologie avansata, inca secreta si care te poate lasa cu gura cascata. De acord de asemenea, de multe ori viata bate filmul. Dar si de mai multe ori, diferenta dintre o idee si punerea ei in practica in realitatea cruda este mare... uriasa.. Hai sa nu admitem ca un postulat ca daca cutare detine tehologie avansata, chiar e capabil de toate minunile, si deci e posibil orice. Este insa bine din punctul lor de vedere ca lumea sa creada asa si sa se teama, ca asta e una din strategiile de a-ti demonstra puterea: "sunt atat de tare si avansat, incat pare ca pot face minuni, deci trebuie sa-ti fie frica". Mi-e teama ca multe astfel de scenarii fanteziste cam cad la o analiza atenta si veridica, de unde necesitatea teoriei ca "nu ai cum sa demonstrezi cutare lucru, pentru ca este ultra-secret, deci este real pentru ca nu ai cum demonstra ca nu este real". Ca si concluzie, am subliniat ca acel citat cu MIR este dubios din punctul meu de vedere, si nu-l inghit. Dar, pana la urma asta e doar opinia mea, probabil gresita.

Back to topic: revolutia romana a fost o manipulare a celor puternici si manati de interese.

[baaron]

Da, intradevar...ai dreptate.
Ma rog....sunt de acord cu tine, miroase a scenariu...insa textul e doar informativ.


On topic: unde erai pe 22 Decembrie?

[xennon_2000]

DE la intalnirea cu Gorbaciov si Bush din 88 (parca, nu mai stiu bine) de acolo s-a stricat totul....Preaiubitului tovar i s-a explicat ca trebuie s-o lase mai moale dar.....a fost capos
Scapase tara de datorii si....supara pe multa lume, la urma urmei e si asta o afacere: saracesti o tara pana la haos si apoi vii sa investesti sume mari de bani(venirea lui Bill Gates in Romania), chipurile....sa o dezvolti! :lol:asta chiat e japca pe fata....dar stam si ne uitam, vorbim, analizam si....muncim la ei(straini) pe branci!cainii latra ursu merge :lol:

[LupinThe3rd]

xennon,
Tovarasu' a fost un bou...
Si sa iti dau cateva exemple: industrie neferoasa la Baia Mare pentru cupru. Puritatea minerului de acolo cam 30%. Argentina are minereu cu puritate de 98%, cred. Rezultatul: un dezastru ecologic, munti de steril. Dupa ce calitatea minerelului era proasta se adauga la asta transportul.
La fel, a pus pe harta combinate chimice ca pe flori, cam atat... In loc sa le pui pe unde ai acces la transport ieftin (maritim) il pui la Borzesti, samd.
Se adauga mentalitatea de anii 50: cat mai multe cuie pe cap de locuitor...
Sti cat le trebuie la aia de la Roman ca sa asambleze un camion: de 10 ori mai mult decat celor de la Volvo iar calitatea e catastrofala.
Si acum imi aduc aminte stirea cu tractorul care a iesit e poarta fabricii si i-a cazut una din rotiile alea mari din spate care s-a oprit in portierea unui Olcit.
Sti calculatoarele pe care invatau studentii in 89: erau cu cartele :D... nu aveau nici macar niste HC-uri in Univ.
Dacia a fost copiata tot timpul dupa Renault? Ce a produs Dacia de una singura?
Olcitul dupa Citroen.
A platit datoriile. Cu ce pret? Sistemul a schiopatat pana cand a tinut Pactul de la Varsovia. Cand s-a dus dracu tot (si bine a facut) s-a dus si Nea Nicu. Noi dadeam tractoare la africani, aia ne dadeau banane si noi vindeam bananele la rusi care ne dadeau cuie...samd
In 90 cand Romania a aterizat in economia globala nu a facut fatza si nu ar fi facut nici cu nea Nicu presedinte , nici cu altii.
Inainte de 89 au aparut in Editura Politica,culmea, si  niste carti foarte bune. Una il avea ca autor pe Alvin Toffler. In ea scrie, si cartea a aparut necenzurata, ca daca tarile comuniste nu schimba industria vor pierde... Si asa s-a intamplat...
La un moment dat se auzise in acele timpuri ca : "Capitalismul e pe marginea prapastiei si noi o sa il depasim"... Am facut-o cu brio....
Asa ca : plata datoriilor a fost fix pix...
Si inca ceva: nimeni nu investeste sa ridice ceva fara sa faca profit... Si nu te intreba niciodata ce prfit face ala ci ce profit faci tu...
Iar in privinta muncii baiate, nu ai inteles nimic.... Muncesti pentru tine nu petru ei...
Si de asta se duc oamenii la scoli sa invete, ca sa nu care cu carca sacii pe tarla...
Nu stiu cati ani ai, dar sincer incep sa cred ca nu ai fost prea multi ani pionier sau utecist, sau fie ai fost prea multi...  :-D

[baaron]

Lupin prietene, l-ai luat prea tare...nici nu cred ca stie prea bine ce si care e treaba cu tovarasii :-D
(dar poate ma insel...no offence Xennon...asta e fara intentie)
Asta imi aduce aminte de faza dupa 89 cu "Noi muncim, noi nu gandim" ...ce tampenie crasa.
Sau aia cu "Noi nu ne vindem tara"....Pffff, si ea saraca era arvunita demult sau jucata la o septica prin cazinouri la Monte Carlo de tovarasu' ala mic care acum umbla sa-si ia vilele inapoi....
Ce sa mai, ne meritam soarta...!!!

Alta chestiune...eu nici acum nu pot sa imi dau seama cum naiba inca mai are succes Iliescu dupa toate porcariile pe care le-a facut....

[xennon_2000]

Iliescu mai are succes dator :evil:ita celor mai in varsta ...si a revolutionarilor....carora le-a promis multe!

[dedeiu]

Mama si-a luat si acum tin minte imaginea cand avea 2 dungi pe spate rosii de la baztoanele politilor de acolo... nu ei sunt de vina ci sistemul de stanga, ceea ce se voteaza acum in parlament... asta vrem?

[DarthVader]

My dear friend

Cat despre Mugur Isarescu, ei bine, asta e mai periculos decat tot Parlamentul luat la un loc...

2.La un moment dat postasem pe forum o lista europeana cu masonii mai importanti din toata tarile Europei (singurul reprezentant roman pe lista aia era Mugur Isarescu)...nu stiu daca mai e pe forum...daca nu, o sa o caut si o postez din nou

   Salut
Cred ca despre lista asta e vorba:

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Tøger Seidenfaden, Editor-in-Chief, Politiken, Copenhagen

Maurizio Sella, Chairman, Banca Sella, Biella; Chairman, Association of Italian Banks (A.B.I.), Rome; Chairman, Finanziaria Bansel
Stefano Silvestri, President, Institute for International Affairs (IAI), Rome; Commentator, Il Sole 24 Ore; former Under Secretary of State for Defence, Italy

Lord Simon of Highbury, Member of the House of Lords; Advisory Director of Unilever, Morgan Stanley Europe and LEK; former Minister for Trade & Competitiveness in Europe; former Chairman of BP, London

Nicholas Soames, Member of the British Parliament, London
Hermann Otto Solms, Vice President of the German Bundestag, Berlin
Sir Martin Sorrell, Chief Executive Officer, WPP Group, London

Myles Staunton, Former Member of the Irish Senate & of the Dail; Consultant, Westport, Co. Mayo

Thorvald Stoltenberg, President, Norwegian Red Cross, Oslo; former Co-Chairman (UN) of the Steering Committee of the International Conference on Former Yugoslavia; former Foreign Minister of Norway; former UN High Commissioner for Refugees

Petar Stoyanov, President, Centre for Political Dialogue, Sofia; former President of Bulgaria
Peter Straarup, Chairman of the Executive Board, Danske Bank, Copenhagen; Chairman, the Danish Bankers Association

Peter Sutherland, Chairman, BP p.l.c. ; Chairman, Goldman Sachs International; former Director General, GATT/WTO; former Member of the European Commission; former Attorney General of Ireland

Björn Svedberg, Former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Ericsson, Stockholm; former President and Group Chief Executive, Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken

Péter Székely, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Transelektro, Budapest; President, Confederation of Hungarian Employers' Organisations for International Co-operation (CEHIC); Vice President, Confederation of Hungarian Employers and Industrialists

Pavel Telicka, Partner, BXL-Consulting, Prague

Jean-Philippe Thierry, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, AGF (Assurances Générales de France), Paris

Marco Tronchetti Provera, Chairman, Telecom Italia; Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Pirelli & C., Milan

Elsbeth Tronstad, Director of Information, ABB, Oslo

Loukas Tsoukalis, Jean Monnet Professor of European Integration, University of Athens; President of the Hellenic Foundation for European and Foreign Policy (ELIAMEP); Visiting Professor at the College of Europe

Mario Vargas Llosa, Writer and Member of the Royal Spanish Academy, Madrid

George Vassiliou, Head of the Negotiating Team for the Accession of Cyprus to the European Union; former President of the Republic of Cyprus; Former Member of Parliament and Leader of United Democrats, Nicosia

Franco Venturini, Foreign Correspondent, Corriere della Sera, Rome

Friedrich Verzetnitsch, Member of Austrian Parliament; President, Austrian Federation of Trade Unions, Vienna; President, European Trade Union Confederation (ETUC)

Marko Voljc, General Manager of Central Europe Directorate, KBC Bank Insurance Holding, Brussels; former Chief Executive Officer, Nova Ljubljanska Banka, Ljubljana

Alexandr Vondra, Managing Director of the Prague Office, Dutko Group Companies; former Czech Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs
Joris Voorhoeve, Member of the Council of State; former Member of the Dutch Parliament; former Minister of Defence, The Hague
Panagis Vourloumis, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Hellenic Telecommunications Organization (O.T.E.), Athens
Marcus Wallenberg, President and Chief Executive Officer, Investor AB, Stockholm
Prince Charles of Wales, Duke of Cornwall of the House of Windsor, London

Serge Weinberg, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Weinberg Investissements; former Chairman of the Management Board, Pinault-Printemps-Redoute; former President, Institute of International and Strategic Studies (IRIS), Paris

Heinrich Weiss, Chairman, SMS, Düsseldorf
Nout Wellink, President, Dutch Central Bank, Amsterdam

Arne Wessberg, Director General, YLE (Finnish Broadcasting Company) and Director General, YLE Group (YLE and Digits Oy), Helsinki; President, European Broadcasting Union (EBU)

Norbert Wieczorek, former Member of the German Bundestag & Deputy Chairman of the SPD Parliamentary Group, Berlin
Hans Wijers, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Akzo Nobel, Arnhem

Otto Wolff von Amerongen, Honorary Chairman, East Committee of the German Industry; Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Otto Wolff Industrieberatung und Beteiligung, Cologne

Emilio Ybarra, former Chairman, Banco Bilbao-Vizcaya, Madrid

[mirela]

Pentru Baaron:Oare mai exista dreptate in lumea asta? Pentru ce am iesit eu strada atunci la Revolutie si ma intreb pentru ce ai luptat tu?

[LupinThe3rd]

DarthVader
discutia era despre COR... si nu alte organizatii
Ti-ar place sa confundam si noi Steaua Mortii cu Steaua Fara Nume...?

[xennon_2000]

Ce sa mai....topicul isi scimba parca fara sa vrem numele in "Conspiratia impotriva lui Ceausescu"

[Arckadii]

pai daca vorbim despre Decembrie 89 este normal. Prea multe lucruri care nu pot fi trecute cu vederea.
A fost o conspiratie intr-adevar...
Chiar credeti ca noi romanii am facut ceva? Asa ni s-a indus. Altii au facut asta si au manipulat masele.
De...macar daca n-ar fi murit atatia oameni, inclusiv Ceausescu...si de Craciun..mai mare rasul....
Ark