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Titlu: Arheologie. Uriasii din basme!
Scris de: LP din 28 Iunie 2007, 22:35:28
Am gasit dinintamplare pe net un articol care mi-a astras atentia.

Citit-l cu atentie. La un moment dat, scrie: "Cu timpul, odata cu navala "civilizatiei", lucrurile s-au schimbat. Interesant este faptul ca oamenii aveau constiinta lucrului important pe care il faceau. Fapt absolut firesc de vreme ce sapaturile sistematice din Muntii Orastiei incepusera in 1923, cu profesorul D.M. Teodorescu, asa ca noi lucram cu a doua sau chiar cu a treia generatie de sateni, care stiau de la parinti si bunici ce se petrece acolo. Acestia aveau chiar o perceptie mitica asupra subiectului. Odata au venit niste reporteri de televiziune si l-au intrebat pe un om, care de vreo 20 de ani tot venea sa lucreze pe santier: "Cine crezi ca a facut cetatile astea?". "Uriesii, domnule", a sunat scurt raspunsul."

Ce parere aveti de raspunsul omului?
Titlu: Raspuns: Arheologie. Uriasii din basme!
Scris de: calinahanna din 29 Iunie 2007, 10:53:36
Bineinteles, "uriesii" pot fi si cei ale caror schelete imense au fost descoperite intre timp...sau ale caror camasi de in inca se mai gasesc prin anumite lazi de zestre...
Titlu: Raspuns: Arheologie. Uriasii din basme!
Scris de: pri3st3ss din 29 Iunie 2007, 22:39:17
Folklore and mythology

Abrahamic faiths
"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." Genesis 6:4-5.

The Anakites, who "come from the Nephilim" (Numbers 13:28-33), the Emites (Deuteronomy 2:10), and the Rephaites (Joshua 12:4) were giants living in the Promised Land. The Bible also tells of strife between David and the giant Goliath, ending with the defeat of the latter. According to the Bible, Goliath was "six cubits and a span" in height—over nine feet tall (1 Samuel 17:4 KJV).

Also, Gog and Magog are usually considered to be giants, and are also found in the folklore of Britain.

In Hinduism, the giants are called Daityas. They were a race who fought against the gods because they were jealous of their Deva half-brothers. Some Daityas from Hindu mythology include Kumbhakarna and Hiranyaksha.

 Greek polytheism
In Greek mythology the gigantes  were (according to the poet Hesiod) the children of Uranos  and Gaea  (The Heaven and the Earth). They were involved in a conflict with the Olympian gods called the Gigantomachy , which was eventually settled when the hero Heracles decided to help the Olympians. The Greeks believed some of them, like Enceladus, to lay buried from that time under the earth, and that their tormented quivers resulted in earthquakes and volcanic eruptions.

Herodotus in Book 1, Chapter 68, describes how the Spartans uncovered in Tegea the body of Orestes which was seven cubits long -- around 10 feet. In his book The Comparison of Romulus with Theseus Plutarch describes how the Athenians uncovered the body of Theseus, which was of more than ordinary size. The kneecaps of Ajax were exactly the size of a discus for the boy's pentathlon, wrote Pausanias. A boy's discus was about twelve centimeters in diameter, while a normal adult patella is around five centimeters, suggesting Ajax may have been around 14 feet tall.

Germanic polytheism
In Germanic polytheism – of which Norse mythology, due to its extensive Icelandic sources, is the only form extensively recorded – the giants are often opposed to the gods. They come in different classes, such as frost giants fire giants  and mountain giants

The giants are the origin of most of various monsters in Norse mythology (,and in the eventual battle of Ragnarök the giants will storm Asgard and defeat them in war. Even so, the gods themselves were related to the giants by many marriages, and there are giants such as Ægir, Loki, Mímir and Skaði, who bear little difference in status to them.

Norse mythology also holds that the entire world of men was once created from the flesh of Ymir, a giant of cosmic proportions, which name is considered by some to share a root with the name Yama of Indo-Iranian mythology.

A bergrisi appears as a supporter on the coat of arms of Iceland.

In folklore from all over Europe, giants were believed to have built the remains of previous civilizations. Saxo Grammaticus, for example, argues that giants had to exist, because nothing else would explain the large walls, stone monuments, and statues that we now know were the remains of Roman construction. Similarly, the Old English poem Seafarer speaks of the high stone walls that were the work of giants. Even natural geologic features such as the massive basalt columns of the Giant's Causeway on the coast of Northern Ireland were attributed to construction by giants. Giants provided the least complicated explanation for such artifacts.

In Basque mythology, giants appear as jentilak and mairuak (Moors), and were said to have raised the dolmens and menhirs. After Christianization, they were driven away, and the only remaining one is Olentzero, a coalmaker that brings gifts on Christmas Eve.

Medieval romances such as Amadis de Gaul feature giants as antagonists, or, rarely, as allies. This is parodied famously in Cervantes' Don Quixote, when the title character attacks a windmill, believing it to be a giant. This is the source of the phrase tilting at windmills.

Tales of combat with giants were a common feature in the folklore of Wales, Scotland and Ireland. Some Irish giants such as Fionn mac Cumhaill (Finn McCool) were considered benevolent and well liked by humans. Celtic giants also figure in Breton and Arthurian romances, and from this source they spread into the heroic tales of Torquato Tasso, Ludovico Ariosto, and their follower Edmund Spenser. In the small Scottish village of Kinloch Rannoch, a local myth to this effect concerns a local hill that apparently resembles the head, shoulders, and torso of a man, and has therefore been termed 'the sleeping giant'. Apparently the giant will awaken only if a specific musical instrument is played near the hill.

Many giants in British folklore were noted for their stupidity.[1] A giant who had quarreled with the Mayor of Shrewsbury went to bury the city with dirt; however, he met a shoemaker, carrying shoes to repair, and the shoemaker convinced the giant that he had worn out all the shoes coming from Shrewsbury, and so it was too far to travel.

Other British stories told of how giants threw stones at each other. This was used to explain many great stones on the landscape.

Giants figure in a great many fairy tales and folklore stories, such as Jack and the Beanstalk, The Giant Who Had No Heart in His Body, Nix Nought Nothing, Robin Hood and the Prince of Aragon, Young Ronald, and Paul Bunyan. Ogres and trolls are humanoid creatures, sometimes of gigantic stature, that occur in various sorts of European folklore. An example of another folklore giant is Rübezahl, a kind giant in German folklore who lived in the Giant Mountains (nowadays on the Czech-Polish border).

 Giants in the West
Aside from mythology and folklore (see Tall tales), mysterious remains of giants have been found in America. Giants are usually classified as human-like remains that are 7'-5" or more in height. The book Forbidden Land by Robert Lyman (1971) recounts the following finds:

-A decayed human skeleton claimed by eyewitnesses to measure around 3.28 metres (10 feet 9 inches tall), was unearthed by labourers while ploughing a vineyard in November 1856 in East Wheeling, now in West Virginia.
-A human skeleton measuring 3.6 metres (12 feet) tall was unearthed at Lompock Rancho, California, in 1833 by soldiers digging in a pit for a powder magazine. The specimen had a double row of teeth and was surrounded by numerous stone axes, carved shells and porphyry blocks with abstruse symbols associated with it.
-Several mummified remains of red haired humans ranging from 2-2.5 metres (6.5 feet to over 8 feet) tall were dug up at Lovelock Cave, (70 miles) north-east of Reno, Nevada, by a guano mining operation. These bones substantiated legends by the local Paiute Indians regarding giants which they called Si-Te-Cahs. For some reason scientists did not seem to want to investigate these finds further so many of the bones were lost. Fortunately one of the giant Lovelock skulls is still preserved today. It measures almost 30cm (1 foot) tall and resides along with other various Lovelock artefacts in the Humboldt Museum in Winnemucca, Nevada. Some of these artifacts can also be found in the Nevada State Historical Society's museum at Reno.
-A 9' 11" skeleton was unearthed in 1928 by a farmer digging a pit to bury trash in Tensas Parish, Louisiana near Waterproof. In 1931 a 10' 2" skeleton was unearthed by a boy burying his dog in 1933 in Nearby Madison Parish.

Aside from in Forbidden Land, we can find other unverified examples or legends about the remains of giants:

-A 9' 8" skeleton was excavated from a mound near Brewersville, Indiana (Indianapolis News, Nov 10, 1975).
-In Clearwater Minnesota, the skeletons of seven giants were found in mounds. These had receding foreheads and complete double dentition (Childress 1992, p. 468).
-A mound near Toledo, Ohio, held 20 skeletons, seated and facing east with jaws and teeth "twice as large as those of present day people," and beside each was a large bowl with "curiously wrought hieroglyphic figures." (Chicago Record, Oct. 24, 1895; cited by Ron G. Dobbins, NEARA Journal, v13, fall 1978).
-In the city of Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada there is a span of mountains five miles long that is in the shape of a man wearing a headdress lying down on his back. The span is called "The Sleeping Giant" from local Ojibway legend that identifies the giant as Nanabijou, the spirit of the Deep Sea Water, who was turned to stone when the secret location of a rich silver mine, now known as Silver Islet, was disclosed to white men.
Titlu: Raspuns: Arheologie. Uriasii din basme!
Scris de: padme din 27 Mai 2010, 12:38:59
Dovezi incontestabile ale existentei uriasilor in Sardegna- Italia.

Martorul ocular afirma ca pe la varsta de 10 ani, fiind cu animalele la pascut, gaseste din intamplare un fel de mormant care continea inca ramasitele mumificate ale unui schelet gigant! Anunta satenii care la randul lor anunta autoritatile. Acestea (autoritatile) vin cu camioane, incarca ce se afla in mormant si nu se mai stie nimic despre respectivul schelet. In zona, se gasesc din belsug, pe pamant laolata cu pietre si nisip, bucati de os, dinti...
Totodata se descopera si o necropola bogata in statui gigant. O parte din ele sunt scoase si se incearca restaurarea lor dupa 30 de ani, timp in care au fost tinute... intr-o pivnita oarecare, existenta lor nefiind facuta publica. Celelalte statui si presupuse morminte sunt acoperite cu beton sau dale de beton astfel incat sa nu se mai poata umbla la ele.
Se incearca reconstituirea anumitor arme, haine, armuri, atat pe baza statuilor cat si a unei mici statuete ce infatiseaza un arcas, gasita in asa numitele “puturi sacre”. Aceste puturi sunt un fel de tunele in care se presupune ca erau aduse ofrande zeilor.